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slopnt • today at 12:30 AM • 2 replies • view on HN

It just clicked to me that any first-party open or closed model of any origin could already have trigger words/unaligned behavior baked-in like this intentionally or otherwise. Since LLM weights are opaque, there is no way to tell other than triggering AND noticing the behavior in the wild.

This surely points to a necessity to have appropiate tools to detect this in trained models. Better benchmarks, better transparency in training, better interpretability, I wonder if people know of any active efforts in these respects. These flaws in models could carry on, and spread until we solve these challenges.


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kelnos • today at 12:34 AM

The only true defense is actual open source. Open "weights" is not that. You need the entire training pipeline open-sourced, plus the entire training corpus, so someone can independently train the model from scratch.

Obviously this will never happen. And even if it did, it still probably wouldn't be that hard to hide something in that mountain of data.

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dcrazy • today at 1:01 AM

You’re already sending your prompts and context to their servers. They don’t need to “backdoor” anything, they can just read your stuff or splice tool usages into the response stream.

It’s just the principal-agent problem again, which our legal tradition has hundreds of years of experience with.

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