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schneehertz • today at 9:34 AM • 8 replies • view on HN

A nuclear bomb

"Based on this framework, we have achieved high-throughput, low-latency large-scale inference services for DeepSeek V4.1 Flash. Currently, the service throughput of a single cluster is 155 trillion tokens/day, and the overall revenue is $38 per card per hour (at off-peak pricing)"

Source: https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/2095560295930508953


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abound • today at 10:06 AM

It's really refreshing to put some cold hard numbers on this stuff, hopefully this quells some of the "AI is unprofitable everyone is spending a dollar to make fifty cents" arguments. Amortized cost of owning a DC full of GPUs is far less than $38/card/hr

Not to say it can't still be a bubble, just that there is legitimately profit to be had and perhaps some sustainable equilibrium in the future.

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schleck8 • today at 11:39 AM

At off peak pricing, which is substantially lower than the standard API rate (50% off). So I assume it looks even better financially overall.

Quick numbers:

At $35/hour in net cash generation per card, a $30,000 GPU would pay for itself entirely in about 850 hours (roughly 35 days)

With an assumed ~ $3 operation cost per card and hour

freakynit • today at 9:52 AM

For the ones who are still wondering how so much profits, inference is a highly profitable domain: https://inferencex.semianalysis.com/profit-estimator

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pu_pe • today at 11:21 AM

DS4 Flash is so cheap also, imagine what the numbers look like for a flagship model like Opus 5.5, which charges 100x more. Of course inference for that model also costs more, but I doubt the proportion is the same.

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zeryx • today at 11:57 AM

Do they share latency / concurrency figures (aka the deployment shape that gets them that token/s/cluster? Would be interesting if they're using deepEP/WideEP + PP and TP

throwa356262 • today at 10:36 AM

Deepseeks strategy is that each project must break even within 10 months.

$38/hrs equals $320K in 10 months.

Assume they only have 100 clusters, and as much as 40% operational costs. That would get them about $20M in 10 months, which I suspect is more than what 4.1 flash training has cost them.

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EngineeringStuf • today at 10:12 AM

$0.00051192 per M/tok ?

Assuming a 64 card cluster

lifeisstillgood • today at 11:43 AM

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