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eddieroger • today at 2:01 PM • 5 replies • view on HN

The analysis is interesting, but I think the premise that human error is a defect to be corrected is flawed in that bands have consistently always strived to play in time together. Humans tolerate a certain amount of variance, and may even like it, but if you have a drummer who can't keep time, you don't have a band. Big Band music made it a spectacle of keeping so many instruments in time and tune with each other.

I think the thing that has changed is that the tools to "fix" the bugs are better and more commoditized, so they're used more. And similarly, production costs have gone down as hardware is commoditized, so there's more music to choose from. The last piece is that social media has made it popular to all like the same thing and make dance videos to the same songs, so already perfect little pop pieces climb up faster.


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boomlinde • today at 3:49 PM

I prefer keeping the concepts of "playing in time together" and "playing in time together on a strict grid" separate. For example, in a classical orchestra you typically very much strive to play in time together, but you do that according to the conductor's interpretation of the tempo marks of the piece, which often calls for tempo variation.

In jazz, you also typically do your best to play in time together, but for long sections timing is often made an open-ended problem where the rhythm section doesn't interfere too much with stylistic timing variations that IMO often separate the simply skillful solo from the deeply felt one. The idea of an accent in modern popular music seems largely have practically narrowed to dynamic articulation, but agogic accents are a thing that skilled musicians can perform in a band setting without it seeming like an "imperfection".

KaiserPro • today at 3:16 PM

Its about musical production. This isn't the first time someone has done analysis of timing in modern music. I think I first saw an article on slashdot in around 2010.

Recording "live" can be hard. it requires a bigger studio, more equipment, better engineers and crucially, everyone to be there at the same time.

you can, if you have a click track, record everything separately, and then marry it up later. once you have the drums lined up, you can just replay the tracks you have without the click track.

this means that you can record separately, at different times, in different locations. or if its your bedroom, you can move stuff around to the microphone you have.

But if you record a track as parts, you can then edit it. You want it to sound good right? laptop power has increased significantly, so any plugin can be run in realtime on multiple tracks.

SOme music suits it, others doesn't.

I _love_ the sound of a live band who are playing well. I don't love the sound of a live band who aren't.

Its hard to play together well all the time, so click track gives you a better bang for buck.

doginasuit • today at 2:18 PM

> The last piece is that social media has made it popular to all like the same thing

Social media definitely didn't invent this. I'm not overly familiar with what is popular on social media, but it seems like the internet has greatly expanded the viability of different styles and niche music. When I get together with friends, we all have tons of music than most of us haven't heard before.

pentakkusu • today at 2:10 PM

I don't think we are talking being able to keep time, that is a given for any musician playing to be recorded.

What the article is talking about is the teeny tiny imperfections of hitting the notes/drums at the beat (or "grid").

I agree that the imperfections are overfixed to an inhuman level.

Interestingly, there is a "swing" or randomize feature available in some hardware and I guess in every DAW, so if the producers wanted, they would be able to "fix" the notes to a grid, and then add a perfectly calculated random touch to make it sound human.

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bryanlarsen • today at 2:27 PM

> Big Band music made it a spectacle of keeping so many instruments in time and tune with each other.

"tight" big band music "in the pocket" is deliberately and consistently behind the beat.

Peggy Lee and other great singers are more in tune than auto-tune or any perfectly tuned instrument is. Modern tuning, aka equal temperament, is a compromise. Every key is perfectly identically subtly out of tune. A great singer will sing with natural tuning, adjusted on the fly for each key change. Peggy Lee would sing a third slightly flatter than an auto-tune will. Unless an instrument is also playing the third, in which case she would sing in unison with the instrument.

Most of us aren't Peggy Lee or the incredible studio musicians that came out of New Orleans. We need to learn the rules before we can break them.