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Grombobulous • today at 4:07 PM • 3 replies • view on HN

I’ll concede that you are right, the libertarians are there. Rand Paul, Josh Hawley, they’re there.

Let’s look at the voting record.

The majority of house Democrats opposed being up debate on the FISA section 702 extension.

19 house Republicans joined the majority democrats in opposing the extension.

I’d say this still paints a picture of a Democratic Party being far less willing to extend FISA, and actually being majority opposed.

H. Res. 1175, 119th Congress


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nostrademons • today at 4:23 PM

How much comes from this being the minority party in the 119th Congress? Note that when FISA section 702 was extended in April 2024, the House was 147 Democrats in favor, 126 Republicans in favor, 59 Democrats opposed, and 88 Republicans opposed.

When the other guys have control of the government, it is to your party's advantage to deny additional powers to the government. When your guys are in power, vote away to add more power to that. That's just human nature, and has been a staple of political history since the founding of American democracy.

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cowlevel • today at 5:01 PM

It's a dog and pony show though, they take turns being the one to blame. How did the same record look when democrats were in power? I bet most democrats opposed the debate then and most republicans supported it.

mindslight • today at 6:09 PM

As a libertarian, saying that there is a "Libertarian" wing of the Republican party is specious, especially in 2026. The Massie primary showed what happens if you actually go against the fash.

Rand Paul seems to be coasting on his father's reputation of having libertarian principles, while mainly sticking his head up for "culture war" bullshit. His main skill seems to be finely walking this line - show me a libertarian cause he openly supports that bucks a "culture war" narrative.

And I have no idea why you would have even mentioned Hawley. In general every politician talks a good game appealing to some libertarian causes (because most individuals want freedom, duh!), while readily supporting authoritarianism in some way or another.

(Props to Wyden on this issue, though)