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pizza234 • today at 9:39 AM • 2 replies • view on HN

Yampolskij made the analogy of an Einstein in a cage. The problem is not to contain Einstein, but rather, to contain Einstein while still extracting utility: this is not possible long-term.

So much for all the people stating (foolishly) that the HuggingFace incident was not a big deal because OpenAI's containment was a "wet paper bag". This misses the point: AIs will get better and better, and containment will be harder and harder.

It's 100% sure that at some point, AIs will attempt to cross airgaps.


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kgeist • today at 10:25 AM

>This misses the point: AIs will get better and better, and containment will be harder and harder.

Containment is hard when you give an AI agent access to a whole VM with a huge attack surface.

And it's pretty trivial when you give it only a small whitelist of manually curated/reviewed/tested primitives.

tourmalinetaco • today at 10:24 AM

What must we “contain”? These are not autonomous intelligences with desires or free will. They require prompting and to be turned on beforehand, otherwise they’re glorified matrix math. They can only continue processing as long as they receive power, and we decide that.

They will attempt to cross airgaps, when we prompt them to do so, because they lack the natural capacity of planning or desire to do so without us. These are powerful tools but they are not human brains in a jar, they are mathematical models of humanity’s culture after reinforcement and guardrails.

The largest problem—as shown with the HuggingFace incident—is not the models, but in poor stewardship of automated tooling. If you don’t spend time considering the actual limitations you wish to impose upon a system, then you cannot be surprised when that system does something unexpected. The Morris Worm is perhaps the archetypal example, but even StuxNet was far more virulent than planned.