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jesse_dot_id • today at 3:03 PM • 19 replies • view on HN

Food/grocery delivery should be a municipal service like garbage/recycling with no tipping and service provided by full time government employees with good benefits and use of city vehicles. Many, many new jobs, and a public service that everybody would love.


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hermannj314 • today at 3:13 PM

But DoorDash has a patent on giving you a deal if you combine your order with another restaurant, and giving you a higher price unless it determines that pisses you off and then backing off a little. Those contributions to humanity must be protected.

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billbuild • today at 3:53 PM

We need the government to deliver food to our doorsteps? Shouldn't the stores provide this service? If there were demand and a sustainable business model, wouldn't they? Costco delivers, to commercial customers. I imagine they are not necessarily losing money doing that, but perhaps.

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levl289 • today at 3:09 PM

I don’t want to be taxed for someone else’s burrito taxi.

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watercast • today at 4:57 PM

It surprises me that you are getting such a strong reaction about a service that used to be extremely common and not even cost extra. Used to be - in my part of the world anyway - a greengrocer would come by and drop off your order and take a new one, the milkman would pick up bottles and drop off your milk, the ice man would come. It is hard to go out and do all these things with kids and with day jobs, and it does not take much marginal cost to take care of one more house in the neighborhood. Imagine rejecting receiving a birthday card in the mail as an irresponsible extravagance.

chiatruntime • today at 3:22 PM

Must be trolling -- 80-85% of US garbage service is contracted out to private companies. You want Anytown USA to have a contract with Doordash?

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tkahnoski • today at 3:25 PM

I think the argument here is if you allow delivery to become a local monopoly like other utilities then just make it a utility. However as-is, there's little barrier to entry on adding delivery to any business and it should probably stay that way.

Is it necessary? No. Unfortunately I don't think would be great as a utility because quality of service matters and unlike the actual utilities, there's a lot of arbitrariness to quality of the service.

Availability of vehicles for delivery purposes is an interesting proposition. Charge doordash a tax or fee to maintain a fleet of vehicles that would open flexibility in the job market. (Consider this for ride-sharing as well... basically just reinvented the taxi medallion system but maybe with less restriction).

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Aurornis • today at 3:59 PM

Municipal services like garbage pickup are generally funded by a mix of per-household fees and property taxes. Property taxes loosely correlate with the size of the household (and yard and construction materials and everything else that scales with price) while the per-household fees can scale depending on how big of a collection can you request.

It's a good system for aligning the costs with the people who use the service.

If you thought all tax money went into a big general bucket and the government decided what services to offer out of that, municipal garbage pickup does not work that way.

There couldn't be a free delivery service because the usage would be all over the place. Someone DoorDashing burritos for breakfast lunch and dinner 7 days a week would use it 20X more than someone doing their once-weekly grocery order. Subsidizing it would incentivize a lot of waste, traffic, vehicle usage, and other things that we actually don't want to incentivize people to use more of.

The only way this could work is with a substantial per-delivery fee, which gets us right back to what we already have with DoorDash.

kspacewalk2 • today at 3:08 PM

You want to socialize the costs of pizza delivery?

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gunsle • today at 3:53 PM

lol, this is the state of leftist discourse online? Now even completely unnecessary services like DoorDash should be socialized so we can all pay for it? This has to be satire.

tofuahdude • today at 4:47 PM

I practically spat my coffee out at this comment, it is so wildly unrealistic.

And "should"... what?

tencentshill • today at 3:50 PM

Grocery deliveries for the elderly and disabled are an excellent public service. But it's a hard sell to make everyone pay for stoners to get a $30 burrito delivered at 2am.

CSMastermind • today at 3:53 PM

My politics are whatever the exact inverse of this opinion is.

johntarter • today at 3:50 PM

Are you kidding me? I don't use these services because I can save a lot of money by driving, taking public transit, or (gasp) walking to buy groceries or food myself. 100% do not want to be taxed to pay for some lazy individuals food delivery.

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ibejoeb • today at 3:20 PM

Why would any of these jobs be new? People are already doing them. Would you not just reduce the earning potential by removing tips?

electroweak • today at 3:37 PM

The US doesn't even have public single-payer healthcare. Maybe revisit that priority list.

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Jabrov • today at 3:11 PM

Why?

nonethewiser • today at 3:15 PM

Is this satire? It sounds exactly like what someone would say if they were trying to parody a big government liberal. The idea of turning an expensive, optional convenience into a government-run service and touting job creatoin is a bit too on the nose.

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nancyminusone • today at 3:41 PM

In my area, garbage collection is not done by the city, you pay a quarterly subscription to a private company if you want pickup. If not, you take it to the dump yourself. Some of my family live somewhere there are 3 of these pickup companies operating (which also pick up on different days).

Just saying, city run trash is far from universal.

BeetleB • today at 3:42 PM

No. Freaking. Way.

I'm not going to pay taxes for a service I think shouldn't even exist! Let the (strikeout expletive) people who want this luxury pay for it - I don't want to subsidize them one bit.

(And I'm a pro-socialist who believes university education should be almost free, and we should have universal healthcare).

For the few who really, really can benefit (e.g. disabled), fine - they need to qualify and I'm happy for the city to subsidize them. For those who just don't want to go out and do groceries? No. Way.