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hibikir • today at 4:02 PM • 8 replies • view on HN

In some ways, US healthcare is already very aggressive for some forms of preventive medicine. Compare the colon cancer protocols across the world. Basically nobody else is recommending colonoscopies to the entire population with no cheaper tests, but that's the standard of care in the US. It's not free to receive, and it's expensive in general, but for some reason in the US it is standard, instead of starting with non-invasive tests.

And yes, regarding smoking, the US has had one of the most effective preventive actions in the world. Compare actual numbers of smokers in the US vs, say, Spain, France or Turkey. So it's not anywhere near as clear cut as what you are trying to make it sound.


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Nomadeon • today at 4:39 PM

Walk into a US gastro with a hang nail and you'll walk out with a colonoscopy requisition.

They make money on the procedure, not the office hours. And they write the standards of care.

That being said, my father delayed a screening, developed colon cancer, and now no longer has a colon. Would cheaper / higher compliance tests have caught it sooner? Hard to say.

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teachrdan • today at 4:50 PM

> Basically nobody else is recommending colonoscopies to the entire population with no cheaper tests

I'm not sure if I understand what you're saying. Kaiser Permanente sends me a take-at-home colonoscopy test every year, and some light googling suggests the cost is $20-$89. I've never done an in-person colonoscopy, but the home version must be cheaper, right?

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AngryData • today at 5:45 PM

Smoking ironically saves in medical costs because people die before getting into real expensive age related care, and also smoking disqualifies you from a large number of medical procedures that would otherwise be given. Keeping a relatively healthy 90 year old alive for 2 more years costs significantly more than keeping an unhealthy 60 year old smoker alive 10 more years before they have a heart attack or stroke.

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patja • today at 5:30 PM

My doctor in the US did everything he could to tell me that my screening colonoscopy would be charged as diagnostic and I would have to pay over $2,000 for it, despite no history or indications of a problem. So it isn't all a bed of roses.

b3ing • today at 7:43 PM

Most insurance covers preventive care, so that’s why it’s popular

msla • today at 5:03 PM

Insurance is mandated to pay for preventive colonoscopies with no patient responsibility. No coinsurance, no copay, no deductible.

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/types/colon-rectal-cancer/dete...

> The Affordable Care Act (ACA) requires both private insurers and Medicare to cover the costs of all colorectal cancer screening tests that are recommended by the United States Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF). The law stipulates that there should be no out-of-pocket costs for patients, such as co-pays or deductibles, for these screening tests.

buellerbueller • today at 4:53 PM

Hypothesis: The American diet contains more carcinogens (dyes, additives, pesticides, supplements in poultry/beef/pork) and therefore USA is is more need of CRC screening.

USA generally has higher CRC rates than other developed nations:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2796096/

the screenings may make sense, here

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