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paulpauper • today at 6:24 PM • 4 replies • view on HN

Yeah I know you are referring to the fiat-based financial system. Keep in mind, wire transfers generally cannot be reversed. There have been notable instances where money is lost/stolen this way, and no way to get it back.


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Shank • today at 7:31 PM

Wire payments are definitely reversible, but you might need to involve the courts, and international wires are more complex [0]. Most notably, 900 million in accidental payments made by Citi were eventually fully reversed by appeals courts.

> A full recounting of it is outside the scope of this anecdote, but it rhymes with “If you and the United States federal government disagree whether a transaction is final, you are wrong.”

[0]: https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/no-payments-are-final...

pllbnk • today at 7:21 PM

Yes, they can.

If it's a significantly large sum, it may look like this:

Step 1: The CEO of the debtor bank calls the CEO of the creditor bank and asks to return the money.

Step 2 (only needed if there is disagreement): Lawyers of the debtor bank send a ton of legal papers to the creditor bank and figure it out.

But it's just one of nearly infinite number of scenarios.

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inknight • today at 6:48 PM

6 billion in fiat is too large a figure to be irreversible. Do you have any examples?

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gregschlom • today at 6:50 PM

And yet somehow nobody hears about North Korean hackers stealing billions from regular banks.

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