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artemonster • today at 11:19 AM • 5 replies • view on HN

Just the fact that the level of politics dropped this low and this is being celebrated is something that makes me feel that we are on a 100% downward slope on our civilizational collapse with no turning back. How tf the most powerful country on earth became such an openly corrupted clownshow?


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holgerschurig • today at 11:43 AM

It might be that just your knowledge of history is lacking.

Look for example to America (i mean the continent, there is no country named that). Civilisation brought extinction to various indigenous tribes, but in norther and central america. It brought slavery. In a way, we are over that now, aren't we?

Look for example to Europe (I'm so glad that no european country is so full of it and call itself just "Europe"). They had hundreds of wars in a 10 year period. Some small ... but some like the 30 year long war more devastating than even the 2nd world war.Sure, some people there (look into ex-jugoslavia or look into Russia) still think that mass-killing people is good. Oh, did I mention 2nd world war? Then look there, too. And how one society thought they have the right to extinguish Jews, Gypsies, Jehovas Witnesses, mental ill people and basically any political opponent. I still think we can say that we are over such a thing.

Look for example to Asia. There was a country that waged war on China because China was not buying enough Opium. Or look like the asian golden horde devastated with utter cruelty whole (at the time) mega-cities. And they brough the bubonic plague on top of it ...

Or look at Africa. I mentioned the slaver for America ... but actually african tribes captured people from other tribes and sold them. We can't say that slavery is totally abolished in Africa (I heard the Boko Haram does it) --- but certainly not at the scale it used to be.

If you think that society develops backwards, then just looking at how things used to be 100, 200 or 500 years.

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croes • today at 11:29 AM

Because people voted a clown

ahartmetz • today at 11:28 AM

Slowly (GW Bush and Trump 1), then suddenly (Trump 2).

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gspr • today at 11:26 AM

I don't wanna absolve any of the evil shits in Trump's circle, or among the MAGA crowd, of blame in this. But I think the biggest issue of all is the anglosphere's love for first past the post electoral systems. There's no excuse for FPTP, and while they often have a positive side effect in giving crazies zero representation, they're vulnerable to crazies taking unchecked control of the system.

Sure, MAGA would've been a large congressional embarrassment in a proportional system. But they wouldn't run the show.

joshblack1982 • today at 11:26 AM

It's a literal shitpost. I think you're being hyperbolic.

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