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x313 • today at 4:09 PM • 3 replies • view on HN

I work in this field (mech interp research) and I agree, the original post is definitely misleading. Some overselling in research is normal but it's a bit much.

First, the key result has nothing to do with making Qwen better at math, it just reduces reasoning loops.

Reasoning loops are a simple problem: the model generates the </think> token (which closes reasoning) with too low probability. You can fix this with simple steering approaches where you add a vector to different components of the LLM (https://arxiv.org/abs/2503.22048, https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.18167, etc). The method Astra used for identifying the vector is the standard procedure humans use (contrastive analysis). Such steering vector creation is basically the standard "intro-level interp project" for human researchers.

If you can code and understand LLM internals, you can do this yourself in 4-8 hours. The SWE equivalent would be doing binary patching with a debugger. Cool that frontier models can do this, but not unexpected since humans can do it without issue.


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HarHarVeryFunny • today at 5:30 PM

Any idea why Alibaba might ship a model while aware that it has this defect when it is so easy to fix?

Is this looping tough to fix by changing the training?

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theptip • today at 4:59 PM

This was my impression on the math result too.

Do you have thoughts on experiments one through five though? The direct one-shot reading/writing of weights seems pretty surprising.

pussylover69 • today at 5:15 PM

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