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xbmcuser • today at 12:51 PM • 7 replies • view on HN

I was down voted a lot months ago for saying that a lot of open source software had a false sense of being secure with the assumption that someone else would have audited the code. And this AI auditing is going to make the promise of open source software getting audited by others actually real. Nice to see others waking up to this reality.


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corford • today at 1:16 PM

There was always, in my mind at least, a tension with Linus's Law ("given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow").

It's true but the problem is assuming, just because something is open source, it has received sufficient eyeballs. AI now gives us near unlimited eyeballs so, if we survive the bumpy transition, open source should indeed become very secure compared to closed source.

adunsulag • today at 2:32 PM

We were getting routine audits from security companies as well as public universities around the world on our OSS healthcare project. I would say it did give us in some way a false sense of security as we had the belief that a lot of the major bugs were addressed. The last 6 months have been very eye opening as the slew of reports have been difficult due to how many there have been, even with all of the false positives there's been a lot of legitimate vulnerabilities. This has been taxing for us to go through (and humbling as well).

That said, if we were a closed source project, I don't know that our own tooling would have discovered all the issues using LLMs as we are seeing more and more creative ways of people exposing exploits that I never would have thought to put into the LLM prompts.

jimnotgym • today at 1:03 PM

Perhaps it will also challenge the assumption that open source is something you can run a billion dollar business on without re-investing a penny.

dfxm12 • today at 1:08 PM

a lot of open source software had a false sense of being secure with the assumption that someone else would have audited the code

Do you have examples of people saying this? I don't think I've come across idea being espoused...

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ndsipa_pomu • today at 1:12 PM

I don't agree that it was an assumption as part of open source, but that it was a possibility with open source. However, there are lots of assumptions made about computer software in general - part of the problem is having cognitive models of software that aren't necessarily reflected in how the hardware runs code.

Also, closed source software can similarly be analysed with AI, but there's no guarantee that the company involved will deal responsibly with disclosures.

vb-8448 • today at 1:01 PM

> ... a lot of open source software had a false sense of being secure with the assumption that someone else would have audited the code ...

I agree on this part, but what's your point here? Are you suggesting closed source is better?

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nullsanity • today at 1:04 PM

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