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welferkj • today at 1:56 PM • 2 replies • view on HN

No, newer models talk to themselves in this degenerated form of English all the time. It's a known problem that deep frying transformers with RL reduces CoT legibility, and the only known way around it is the Most Forbidden Technique - grading chains of thought.


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mietek • today at 2:37 PM

Why is that not only forbidden, but also most forbidden?

jephs • today at 2:36 PM

There's Most Forbiddenish and there's Most Forbiddener. We already apply length penalties to CoT in RL, for instance.

Sometimes I worry that the framing around CoT grading prevents research into necessary and useful safety techniques that edge up against it, but what do I know I'm just a guy, c'mon n downvote me LW bros