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LeFantome • yesterday at 11:33 PM • 1 reply • view on HN

You did not really address the argument.

6.1 Sol is not a “frontier model” and does not command the pricing of one. The reason it exists is because of competition from non-frontier models that are “good enough”.

In fact, you kind of made the same argument. As “good enough” models commoditized, the use cases requiring frontier models and frontier model pricing will shrink.

And, even if performance is not as good, many will prefer open models.


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calebkaiser • today at 12:01 AM

I think I did address the argument? This being the key quote:

"The better open models are the less you need frontier models, so the frontier AI companies are essentially fighting for market that will shrink the better AI is."

The implication in this is that frontier labs' market is exclusively people who need the absolute frontier, i.e. Astra or Fable. And the point I made was that frontier labs are clearly prioritizing the broader market of people who want more cost effective models, and that if OpenAI/Anthropic offers models that are price competitive with the top open models (before factoring in subscription discounts and corporate lock-in), then I don't see how that leads to the average user walking away from the labs in favor of self-hosting or relying OpenRouter/Together/etc.

I also went out of my way to clarify that I personally prefer and use open models wherever possible. I'm not saying that there isn't a real group of people who prefer them. I'm specifically saying that frontier labs also sell "good enough" models and that there's nothing preventing them from training models to fit the demands of users. It's not as if training a frontier model boxes them in such that they can't release an Opus 5.5 or a 6.1 Terra.