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DSpinellis • today at 11:28 AM • 5 replies • view on HN

My understanding is that collecting these data and constructing the knowledge graph violates the European General Data Protection Directive (GDPR). According to the GDPR, personal data (such as an email's sender name and email address) are provided for a specific purpose (in the case of sending an email, for identifying the sender and facilitating email replies). Similarly, a calendar invitation is provided to organize a meeting. Processing that data for a different purpose (as described here, for constructing a knowledge graph) without the subject's explicit consent is unlawful.


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mimotomo2009 • today at 12:00 PM

I'm not sure. IMO when you buy a Mac (or use Windows or an Android phone) you have accepted so much that there is nothing which is not allowed.

But nevertheless: as far as I have understood it everything is built on your computer and is still used on your computer. You - as the user of the Mac - has took and saved the information. Your Mac is then only working for you - if Apple doesn't load the information in their enviroment.

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jadamson • today at 12:11 PM

This is going to depend on the holder's relationship with the data subject.

If you send a friend an email, they may add you to their address book and set a reminder for your birthday while they're at it. They don't need your permission to do that, so why would a device acting on their behalf?

On the other hand, if a customer of mine asks for the data I have on them, do I have to send them my Personal Knowledge Graph facts about them? That's less obvious, and I'd lean towards Apple's helpful database being a liability even if it's local.

ba1afd89f34cb23 • today at 12:14 PM

That seems wildly optimistic. I can think of various provisions under GDPR that make this perfectly fine.

For example, purpose limitation allows for compatible processing, and parsing calendar events to allow for queries like “when does mom’s flight land” is absolutely covered under that.

And, of course, GDPR doesn’t require consent. Performance of a contract is a perfectly valid legal basis other than explicit consent, and the operating system terms of service you agree to when upgrading or setting up a new device will cover this.

On a side note, you don’t want GDPR to work the way you think it works unless you really want cookie consent banners dialed up to a million.

None of this should be construed to mean that I like this feature in macOS or am defending it. I’m merely pointing out that this interpretation of GDPR does not match reality.

eastbound • today at 12:03 PM

It's on the person's Mac so it is a little more complicated. The person you send your data to is the Data Controller, and fails you by not publishing their privacy policy. But Apple isn't a Sub-Processor here, because they aren't sending the data to Apple.

I'm saying that because I wish the GDPR also covered the software providers who perform Data Processing against the will of all parties, but it isn't the case. Lastly, they're a person and not a business.

It is however clear that building a database of people which may contain race, religion or political opinions is illegal, even if it's just a person doing it.