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QGQBGdeZREunxLe • today at 5:28 PM • 7 replies • view on HN

Insane that the US does not have a realtime payments network in 2026. FedNow exists but is supported by handful of banks which charge fees to use the feature.

> Outgoing transfers cost 0.75% of the transaction amount (minimum of $1, maximum of $30). SoFi does not charge a fee for incoming transactions.

> SoFi Plus members save 50%. They pay 0.375% of the transaction amount with a maximum of $15 (minimum remains $1).

https://www.sofi.com/banking/instant-money-transfer


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whh • today at 5:59 PM

Pretty wild. Australia's had NPP since 2018. You can send money to somebody's phone number and it's in their bank account instantly.

https://www.rba.gov.au/payments-and-infrastructure/new-payme...

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smath • today at 6:05 PM

Can anyone knowledgeable explain (or point to a good reference) why the US doesn't have a real time payment system, say something like UPI in India?

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adamdecaf • today at 5:47 PM

There’s the RTP network in the US as well, but both networks are growing and reach over ~70% of deposit accounts.

Pricing for customers varies by network participant. The network prices are cheap.

sam1714 • today at 5:59 PM

For purchases, the US has debit cards and Zelle. Banks instantly exchange non-revocable promises to pay and the money follows at the end of the day. This is more capital (cash) efficient because it allows netting. One key here is that everybody in the US banking system is under the same regulators (Federal Reserve, FDIC/NCUA) so there's greater trust that they won't go under before the cash comes.

A very important point is that debit cards offer consumer protections (chargebacks for unsatisfactory goods). FedNow, Zelle, wires, ACH do not and people have lost money by scams this way.

If you don't need it right that second, same-day ACH is widely used, and again the delay allows more efficient netting.

The Clearing House's CHIPS is a good in-between, it's not guaranteed instant, but uses an algorithm to match transactions as fast as possible with constrained float.

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skybrian • today at 5:42 PM

I wonder if Regulation E has anything to do with slow adoption of new tech that's a fraud risk?

yieldcrv • today at 6:51 PM

Real Time Payments exists in the US as The Clearing House (TCH) RTP® Network

US bank has it, Mercury does as well

150g2 • today at 7:20 PM

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