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robswc • today at 7:14 PM • 5 replies • view on HN

This is not something I think about much (fortunately), but what is the point in attempting suicide by means that are not likely to work? How do we measure "true attempts" vs "cries for help." I guess ultimately they are very close together... but all the same it seems harder to attempt and not succeed.


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dabinat • today at 7:30 PM

The person may not definitively want to die, but may wake up one day and not care either way, so attempting is a roll of the dice.

It also may be down to what was available to them at the time. There’s a famous case study where a lot of women in the UK were dying by putting their heads in the oven and gassing themselves in the 1950s. The UK government changed the formulation of gas that was being piped to homes and the suicides stopped. If those women really were dead-set on suicide, they would have just chosen a different method.

What people who’ve never had extreme depression might not realize is that in those low moments it feels like you will always feel this way and it will never ever change. Then you wait an hour or so and the feeling passes. So a person may not feel suicidal 24 hours a day, only at specific moments. But in those low moments, the chances of suicide dramatically increase and as the UK case shows, accessibility to quick suicide methods makes a big difference.

lazyasciiart • today at 7:29 PM

I think in general people are not educated on the likelihood of success per attempt method, which seems ok.

owenpalmer • today at 7:22 PM

Men are more aggressive so they choose more aggressive methods, which work better.

typeofhuman • today at 7:37 PM

Attention.

maerF0x0 • today at 7:22 PM

> cries for help.

This is the most plausible hypothesis, judging revealed preferences by the outcomes.

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