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Tim Peters has died

395 points • by ayhanfuat • today at 7:03 AM • 40 comments • view on HN

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w-m • today at 9:42 AM

  $ python -c "import this"
  The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters

  Beautiful is better than ugly.
  Explicit is better than implicit.
  Simple is better than complex.
  Complex is better than complicated.
  Flat is better than nested.
  Sparse is better than dense.
  Readability counts.
  Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.
  Although practicality beats purity.
  Errors should never pass silently.
  Unless explicitly silenced.
  In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess.
  There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.
  Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch.
  Now is better than never.
  Although never is often better than *right* now.
  If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea.
  If the implementation is easy to explain, it may be a good idea.
  Namespaces are one honking great idea -- let's do more of those!
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leoc • today at 5:00 PM

Among his various other works, it was Tim Peters along with Gary Robinson who turned pg's "A Plan for Spam" essay into the successful SpamBayes program: https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6467 .

(EDIT: Robert Woodhead apparently shares in the credit, too: https://www.ceas.cc/papers-2004/136.pdf https://ceas.cc/papers-2004.html . Apparently Rob Hooft was another implementor? I can't find a good source for that though.)

lumpa • today at 11:57 AM

Once upon a time I used to read all python-dev posts and bugs.python.org issues, so I got to follow (and get a feeling of knowing) these people I admired working and discussing together. Tim was always a favorite.

Another thing that made me feel close to him was his work on the Python Cookbook 2nd Edition, in which he (and other big names in the community) delightfully talks the reader through intricacies and insights of programming, "We read Knuth so you don't have to".

Watching Tim do his thing was a pleasure. He'd go from long, deep technical dives (that he'd make as approachable as possible) into comic relief and human connection in the fractional wink of an eye.

The brief interactions we had will always be cherished as high points in my Pythonista trajectory.

One favorite of mine was this response: https://www.python.org/doc/humor/#id15. I also like https://www.python.org/doc/humor/#id19 very much.

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linsomniac • today at 6:36 PM

My last exchange with Tim was him saying that he wasn't feeling up to having visitors.

You never know when an email is going to be the Last Email. Don't put off reconnecting with old friends.

ofek • today at 7:03 PM

Tim was one of the people who contributed to my love of the Python language eventually expanding to its entire community.

He was always so willing to foster discussion that nearly every interaction resulted in an improved understanding of some topic and a shared eagerness to try or learn more out something tangential that came up via digression. I never knew how many types of voting systems there were nor how extensively they are researched! He also reached out about a comment [0] I made a few years ago which made me feel less discouraged and more welcome.

Tim's writing style was greatly appreciated by myself and many others. What he had to say was often lengthy, to address reader assumptions or some nuance, but was written with such a jovial tone that it was rarely dull or inaccessible.

RIP Tim

[0]: https://discuss.python.org/t/5778/24

linsomniac • today at 2:24 PM

Gene Hackman's character in Heist says "I tried to imagine a a fella smarter than myself. Then I tried to think 'What would he do?'"

For me, Tim Peters was that guy. I first met Tim in person at the first PyCon at GWU where I rode an elevator with him and Barry Warsaw. Let me tell you, it was a wild ride. He was a genuinely really nice, smart, kind guy.

RIP my friend.

dalke • today at 10:14 AM

In the 1990s I was a novice developer, though I considered myself a hotshot because I was better than those around me in college and grad school.

I was an active participant in the comp.lang.python Usenet channel in the late 1990s.

I learned much from reading Tim Peters' posts. To many, including me, he was affectionately referred to as "Uncle Timmy."

One of the things I learned was that I still had much to learn about the art of programming.

Much of the little I know about numerical methods comes from reading his posts. It was fun to read his stories about Kendall Square Research and the (for me) old days of computing.

I remember posting questions about things I didn't understand, which he figured out and explained. [1]

I remember bringing up concepts I thought were specialized and esoteric, only to find that it was actually just my lack of experience. He gently corrected misapprehensions like mine. [2]

He wrote a lot on comp.lang.python. If I recall correctly, at the 7th International Python Conference in Houston, November 1998, there was Festschrift in his honor. He would use <wink> in his messages, and often end with something like "let's-hear-it-for-lambda-in-curly-assignment-stmts-ly y'rs - tim" (that's from the posting where he outlines the Zen of Python). I wondered if they were collected by looking for messages containing an '-ly' only to have Andrew Kuchling remind me about the "From" header. <wink>

Here is Guido van Rossum starting the thread on "In Memoriam: Tim Peters", at https://discuss.python.org/t/in-memoriam-tim-peters-1952-202... .

Here's an interview of him at PyCon 2006, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wAOy88WxmY

[1] In one case, I was parsing a file format where a field was usually three spaces, but was sometimes an integer. I couldn't figure out why one parser was so much faster than the other. The answer was that one tested for three spaces first, and if that failed tested for the int, while the other did the int test first.

Yes, this is something a senior developer knows. I bring it up now to highlight how hotshot-me didn't have that experience, learned that experience, and learned it from someone who was kind about sharing his knowledge.

[2] I was doing bioinformatics back then, and learned about dynamic programming as way to do sequence alignment. I didn't think others knew about the technique, and thought I was bringing esoteric new information to the discussion. Uncle Timmy had used dynamic programming techniques for speech-to-text software at Dragon Systems, and politely pointed out it was more widely known. He also implemented Python's 'difflib'.

rdtsc • today at 7:04 PM

Tim's Blog https://tim-one.github.io/psf/

"Question everything. Love everyone" (from his page)

RIP "Uncle Timmy".

__mharrison__ • today at 5:48 PM

Thanks, Tim. Your contributions have helped me feed me family over the years. RIP

(I've taught the Zen of Python, doctests, timsort, and more during my career.)

kgcgfva • today at 7:33 PM

I learned how to be a person on the internet in large part by watching Tim back in the day. RIP.

grep_it • today at 5:52 PM

Tim's description of dicts always stuck with me by describing the hash table slot states as one of citizen, virgin, or turd[1]. <wink>

1: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2000-March/048...

Copenjin • today at 7:26 AM

The Tim of Tim Sort, for those that want to identify him quickly.

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allendoerfer • today at 7:10 PM

I quoted im earlier today in a commit message at work. Not knowing him at all, this news is a bit of a shock.

themanmaran • today at 6:03 PM

I have the Zen of python printed out on our office wall and everyone quotes it at least weekly. It started as a bit of a joke, but become a pretty big part of our culture. It's a great set of rules.

bajard • today at 7:18 PM

As a programmer who used Python, I'm in debt to him.

bonoboTP • today at 6:33 PM

Nice obituary, would have been cool if Guido had stood up for him when he was witch hunted...

leoc • today at 11:34 AM

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50450488 links to GvR's announcment on discuss.python.org .

QuantumAtom • today at 6:54 PM

May his memory be a blessing

kapilvt • today at 3:45 AM

Tim (of Timsort) was a long time python contributor (aka 90s), and a foundation of its early community (>>> import this). Rip.

throwaway81523 • today at 7:30 AM

RIP. I didn't know him IRL, but I remember him fondly from the Python Usenet group and Python bug tracker discussions.

fghorow • today at 6:03 PM

Very, very sad news. RIP Tim Peters.

jujube3 • today at 6:17 PM

RIP.

throw-the-towel • today at 5:56 PM

Black bar, anyone?

dalke • today at 10:49 AM

I posted my thoughts in a parallel thread, at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50451689 .

I focus on how I learned to be a better software developer from him, in both writing better code and supporting others.

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sillysaurusrex • today at 7:18 PM

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leoc • today at 11:47 AM

A black bar is appropriate for this news.

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