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skissane • today at 8:00 PM • 4 replies • view on HN

> But its obviously true that it was the right move, and creating this "dwarf planet" class of objects was correct. It was hard to justify Pluto being a planet when Ceres exists, but Eris, Haumea, Makemake and all of these other possible Dwarf planets are the nail in the coffin.

I don't agree that "its obviously true that it was the right move". Instead of demoting Pluto, they could have promoted Ceres, and let Eris, Haumea, Makemake, etc, be planets too. Under that proposal, they could even have the category of "dwarf planets" encompassing them, it is just that "dwarf planet" would be a subcategory of planets rather than a disjoint category from them.


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delta_p_delta_x • today at 8:44 PM

Classifications are useful. Even the 'proper' planets we split into terrestrials, Jovian giants, and ice giants. Each planet is individually interesting in itself. One might even argue all of the bodies in the Solar System exist on a continuum of mass from the tiniest mote of space dust, to rocks and asteroids, to moons and dwarf planets to terrestrial planets, ice giants, giants, and then the Sun, and then hypergiant stars, neutron stars, black holes, and then supermassive black holes, so let's call all of them 'celestial objects'—which we kind of do. But such a catch-all is pointless. Each object behaves very differently, with wildly different physical laws governing its interior and its neighbourhood.

Classifications impose structure on a collection of celestial objects, and we can derive relationships, commonalities, understand their development, the physics governing these objects, and build useful physical and mathematical models to widen our understanding of the universe.

Most reasonable scientists understand that some of these objects will blur the edges—like many moons being more massive and larger than Mercury. Or like the largest super-Earth exoplanets being nearly as massive as Neptune, or the largest gas giant exoplanets being 30-80 times as massive as Jupiter and hence having a surface temperature of ~2000 K. But that is part of science, and possibly even where the most interesting work is.

joquarky • today at 9:16 PM

Yeah, I don't like when a modifier is mandatory. If they chose to label them "dwarf planets" then it should be expected that people will leave off the modifier "dwarf" when being concise.

If they really didn't want people to continue to refer to them as planets, then they should have chosen a completely different noun.

Teever • today at 8:16 PM

To me this subject is just a combo of bikeshedding[0] lumper and splitter[1] stuff by people who aren't domain subject experts.

I find people do this a lot with space stuff because they're interested in it but don't really know much about it.

It's ultimately irrelevant to the subject at hand and detracts from the conversation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpers_and_splitters

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hdgvhicv • today at 8:06 PM

Ok so we have 50 planets?

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