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saidnooneever • yesterday at 10:31 PM • 4 replies • view on HN

i dont know what is expected of export controls... they are never effective. they also find western chips in iranian drones etc. there is a huge gray area of resellers who resel to resellers etc. its pretty much uncontrollable....


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0cf8612b2e1e • yesterday at 11:08 PM

During the Cold War, America used various shell companies to get valuable titanium out of Russia for building spy planes. If someone is willing to pay, smugglers will find a way.

LarsDu88 • yesterday at 11:15 PM

Simply banning things causes the price to go up. That alone is good enough to motivate the policy decision.

wmchen • yesterday at 10:34 PM

Export controls inherently raise the cost of doing business with parties you don't like, the other party has to either invest more resources acquiring them, or make the decision to forego acquiring them. The grey market exists precisely because there's an opportunity to exploit this for profit. At the end of the day, when these effects of these export controls are discussed, they usually seem to revolve around export controls setting a specific program or effort back by a span of months, not in stopping a specific commodity from accessing another market whatsoever (excepting some hyper-specific components).

krona • yesterday at 10:40 PM

> its pretty much uncontrollable

As Hezbollah discovered in 2024, covert supply-chain interdiction is very possible and I'd be surprised if the CIA didn't know what was going on, at least to some extent.

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