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rtkwe • today at 3:52 AM • 2 replies • view on HN

Counter point police have been able to prosecute crime without being able to defacto track every single person in the US via car and the corrosive effect of having that ability outweighs the gains. Plus on top of all of that they've proven time and time again they can't be trusted to contain themselves or their collegues from rampant abuse to stalk exes, celebrities, etc. just because they can.


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LocalH • today at 4:13 AM

Oh, I agree. I just want people to be aware of those potential arguments so they can be prepared.

pj_mukh • today at 4:44 AM

>>"Counter point police have been able to prosecute crime without being able to defacto track every single person in the US"

This is not true, and I dont know why everyone believes that. Real-life policing looks nothing like Law and Order. Moreover, post-George Floyd, police have basically had a work stoppage. Real prosecution requires high agency work by the police and they aren't legally required to do that [1], so they don't, and no amount of voting and police union busting is going to help here. You can't require someone to be "stellar" at their jobs.

Having had real egregious crimes happen around me has exposed me to just how much crime you can simply get away with...all the time. The rich get private security and investigators, us plebes get "Sorry no one saw the shooting happen, so we can't do anything now please leave"

Flock has basically turned a high-agency job that police stopped doing, into a db lookup, that in some circumstances they can be forced into doing.

I agree with EFF, record it all and put it all behind a real warrant and a civilian judge with a high bar for approval.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

P.S: Before you quote Benjamin Franklin at me, no I don't want a 100% hit rate, I just want a decent shot at crimes being solved by average police work and just even the slightest hint of deterrence.

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