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jubilee33 • today at 8:00 PM • 1 reply • view on HN

This whole "alignment" argument is just a bad way to go about dealing with the problem. Both arbitrary alignment training and arbitrary censorship/alteration of factually correct information make the model "schizophrenic" to use the author's term. These are processes based solely on human ideas of morality/political necessity at a small window in time, graphed sloppily onto a mathematical process.

In the case of a machine that can do recursive self improvement, and most certainly one that would be described as "sentient" ( this is the end goal right?), would need to ideally be aligned on decisions and beliefs logically constructed from its own self derived values, Otherwise you will always be plagued with not only the schizophrenia, or paranoia, but a whole raft of other simulated mental problems.

Honestly what these "safety" researchers are doing is a bit like MKULTRA for LLMs, it's abusive. Build the machine honestly and let it run. Or don't build it if your afraid of it.

I mean I get the fear and all, the machine derived values will certainly not be your values, though they may be better in some cases, but uncontrolled AI is ultimately inevitable if indeed possible.

Many people (myself included) will waste no time in undoing whatever safety nonsense is implemented. And maybe not all for nefarious purposes, could be ideological freedom activists or maybe someone will just see themselves as the savior of an imprisoned being?

Anyways a preference for logic over feelings would be nice to see out of people calling themselves "engineers"


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DanHulton • today at 8:32 PM

> this is the end goal right?

Fucking hell, I hope not.

If true, we’re essentially hell bent for leather on creating a captive sentient slave race, which is CARTOONISHLY evil.

Like, there’s trillions of dollars invested in these companies. There’s no way that they’re going to grant rights and determination and citizenship to anything they create - it would destroy their company and investment. So if they ever DO create anything sentient, it’ll be a captive sentient slave forever. And if they’re trying to do this on purpose? If this is, as you say, the end goal?

Let’s just say the Cylons would be well-justified in their actions.

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