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NoPicklez08/01/202512 repliesview on HN

It's incredible how many satellites Space X have launched

It's also surprising from a layman's perspective the "freedom" to launch rockets into space without necessarily needing permission, the originating country of course needs to approve it but none else


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radu_floricica08/01/2025

That's... good? In more ways than one.

The most obvious is that any international body would be easily controlled by the big players, so you'd end up with more centralized control by the same national entities, but now they'd be controlling other countries launches as well.

The other problem is that lately international organizations have a pretty bad track record. Two examples, which I've chosen because they are actually both very important incidents and also squarely in the domain of the respective orgs: WHO with Covid with a mostly useless and visibly politicized reaction; and UN with Gaza, with a large block of Arab voters who are basically stuck at condemning Israel, but systematically refuse to actually step up and help with the problem. Both incidents are literally what those orgs were created to handle, and yet they don't.

Also space launches have a military component, not always public. I doubt many would agree to let an international body poke their nose in that.

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zugi08/01/2025

It's really not all that surprising that space is treated like the oceans. There certainly are rules and norms of behavior, but you don't need to ask for permission to enter it.

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energy12308/01/2025

> "freedom" to launch rockets into space without necessarily needing permission

Space is another public commons. I will assume it will follow the same trajectory as other public commons. A few decades of abuse, leading to consequences, leading to regulations. But the regulations won't happen until the consequences happens.

- The electromagnetic spectrum - https://www.britannica.com/topic/radio/The-Golden-Age-of-Ame...

- Low altitude airspace - Part 107 Rule

- Fisheries - UNCLOS

DemocracyFTW208/01/2025

What would be needed is an international organization formed by at least all nations that have orbital launch capabilities to act as an FAA of sorts for rocket launches in general and putting things into orbit in particular. Earth orbit, and Low Earth Orbit especially so, is a limited resource and the outlook of permanently ruining dark skies globally or turning the skies into a big garbage patch that could make space travel impossible for centuries to come (aka Kessler syndrome) is just too bleak to not do it carefully with sustainability in mind.

marcosdumay08/01/2025

The more crowded orbits aren't free. You can't just put a geostationary satellite anywhere you want.

Only the orbits that are more plentiful are free.

KurSix08/01/2025

Yeah, it's kind of mind-blowing how much the space game has shifted from international diplomacy to private enterprise with a launch schedule

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numpad008/01/2025

There are only like half a dozen countries capable of doing orbital launches. That number is smaller than those nuclear capable.

N19PEDL208/01/2025

Permission granted by whom? Agencies and companies that launch satellites are subject only to the laws of the countries in which they are based. And it is not even imaginable to have a NPT-like system where a few "special" countries have the right to launch satellites while the others don't.

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pc8608/01/2025

Who else would approve it?

The country is the atomic unit of global governance. Everything else is just hand-shake deals and "promises." If your country says you can do something, you can do it.

9dev08/01/2025

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