alt Hacker NewsThey may not have been leading (as in, releasing a SOTA model), but they definitely can match others - easily, as shown by llama 3/4, which proves the point - there is no moat. With enough money and resources, you can match others. Whether without SOTA models you can make a business out of it is a different question.
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> but they definitely can match others - easily, as shown by llama 3/4
Are we living in the same universe? LLAMA is universally recognized as one of the worst and least successful model releases. I am almost certain you haven't ever tried a LLAMA chat, because, by the beard of Thor, it's the worst experience anyone could ever had, with any LLM.
LLAMA 4 (behemoth, whatever, whatever) is an absolute steaming pile of trash, not even close to ChatGPT 4o/4/5/, Gemini(any) and even not even close to cheaper ones like DeepSeek. And to think Meta pirated torrents to train it...
What a bunch of criminal losers and what a bunch of waste of money, time and compute. Oh, at least the Metaverse is a success...
https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/court-documents-show...
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/27/the-metaverse-as-we-knew-it-...
Meta never matched the competition with their Llama models. They've never even come close. And Llama 4 was an actual disaster.