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deadbabe11/03/20253 repliesview on HN

Form ideas without the use of language.

For example: imagining how you would organize a cluttered room.


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Chabsff11/03/2025

Ok, but how do you go about measuring whether a black-box is doing that or not?

We don't apply that criteria when evaluating animal intelligence. We sort of take it for granted that humans at large do that, but not via any test that would satisfy an alien.

Why should we be imposing white-box constraints to machine intelligence when we can't do so for any other?

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embedding-shape11/03/2025

> Form ideas without the use of language.

Don't LLMs already do that? "Language" is just something we've added as a later step in order to understand what they're "saying" and "communicate" with them, otherwise they're just dealing with floats with different values, in different layers, essentially (and grossly over-simplified of course).

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tim33311/04/2025

Genie 3 is along the lines of ideas without language. It doesn't declutter though, I think. https://youtu.be/PDKhUknuQDg