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mmaundertoday at 5:26 AM11 repliesview on HN

They've abandoned GitHub for Codeberg because GitHub has ICE as a customer. Codeberg uses Paypal which is a member of the ICE "Virtual Global Taskforce".

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/top-story-industry-partner...

There is a purity spiral that organizations can enter when they start doing this, which ends up with you shoving yourself into a cold dark corner of the internet and still not being completely detached from the badness because Cisco provides infrastructure for nearly every major weapons manufacturer and defense department globally.


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pyraletoday at 11:08 AM

> There is a purity spiral that organizations can enter when they start doing this

You are the one summoning that spiral by making a cheap gotcha wrt codeberg using Paypal.

The project apparently could and did move because the swith from github to codeberg wasn't that big of an impact, and because, while the new forge is not perfect, they feel the association is less severe. There is no "purity spiral" in that, just a pragmatic choice factoring in ethics.

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0x000xca0xfetoday at 3:23 PM

Sounds great because Zig folks do seem to have a history with rejecting existing tooling for fussy reasons and building their own (really good) stuff.

If this forces them to rethink and build a better GitHub, can't wait.

d0throww0today at 4:04 PM

I think there's a difference between providing services to X and a platform using a payment processor that collaborates with X.

You have a point, of course, but for many options, the best we can do is avoid the worst one as there's no perfect solution. I'm not saying that people should leave GitHub because of this, but I can see why some would and why they may pick a different, still not perfect, alternative instead of doing everything themselves.

picafrosttoday at 6:47 AM

That's a weird take-away from the post, where the only time ICE is mentioned is

> Putting aside GitHub’s relationship with ICE,

and the rest of the article provides technical reasons.

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rvcastoday at 5:20 PM

We’re all sick of these activist dorks

BiteCode_devtoday at 8:43 AM

Levels of indirection matter.

__loamtoday at 5:58 AM

It seems like every organization in America is compromised in some way if you dig deep enough. Certainly you can find reasons for every big tech. There's still a balance to be struck though.

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sandmanktoday at 6:03 AM

when the shit finally starts flying there is no better place to be than low down, in a dark corner, with clean hands, looking nothing like a pig

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BiteCode_devtoday at 7:36 AM

Levels of indirections matter.

sapphicsnailtoday at 6:05 AM

You're mad because they left a vendor because they switched to a different vendor that you think is just as bad but also you're accusing them of starting an "inevitable purity spiral?" Which one is it?

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