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Testing shows automotive glassbreakers can't break modern automotive glass

132 pointsby surprisetalkyesterday at 3:43 PM162 commentsview on HN

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csourstoday at 12:50 AM

Disclosure: I work for a car company, not on this.

If you want to be prepared for automotive incidents:

1. Check your mood and intoxication level before and while driving. Mood is more important than everything besides drugs and alcohol.

2. Left turns (or across traffic as applicable) are dangerous. Take extra care while turning left (or across traffic).

3. Using screens at night is bad for everyone, but especially above the age of 40, both focus and iris (light balance) response take longer. Using a screen changes your focus and blows out your night vision.

4. If your car has pushbutton electronic door openers, PRACTICE opening the door without battery power.

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maxglutetoday at 6:11 AM

Man there needs to be some sort of amusement park where you try out common emergency safety mechanisms.

I've never broke / pulled a fire alarm, I'm sure I can, but let me.

ALSO EVERY AIRPORT SHOULD HAVE MOCK EMERGENCY AIRPLANE DOORS FOR PEOPLE TO TRY OUT.

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TomMasztoday at 12:29 PM

Firefighters and other emergency service personnel can get through laminated glass, but it takes much more time and effort, as well as tools you're not likely to have in your car.

thefourthchimeyesterday at 5:35 PM

The article glides over the fact that FMVSS 226 is a performance standard, not a materials mandate. Manufacturers can stick with tempered glass if they beef up the side curtain airbags enough to prevent ejection, which is exactly what happens on a lot of base models and rear windows to keep BOM costs down. The list of brands using laminated glass is accurate, but it applies mostly to their premium trims or front rows only.

There is also the issue of fleet turnover. With the average age of US vehicles pushing 13 years, the install base is still overwhelmingly tempered glass. Writing off the tool entirely because new luxury cars have moved on ignores the reality of what people are actually driving. You are statistically much more likely to be trapped in a 2012 Civic than a 2025 S-Class.

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atariantoday at 2:44 AM

I bought a fire extinguisher recently but I’ve never used one. I have a faint idea of how it works and what kind of result I’d get based on what I’ve seen on TV. But if a serious fire ever breaks out I don’t even know if I’d even remember to grab and use it.

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monster_truckyesterday at 6:08 PM

None of these glass breakers are any good at what they're supposed to do anyways, I'd wager all of their websites delinate that they are for tempered glass only. What you want is porcelain or ceramic.

Unfortunately, afaik, porclean/cermaic glass breakers are illegal in most states. They are "Burglary Tools".

Nothing wrong with keeping a box of spark plugs in your center console though

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dcanelhastoday at 10:37 AM

In 15 years: Testing shows that automotive shaped charge glassbreakers can't penetrate the armor on most modern automotive glass.

Was drone-proofing civilian cars a mistake?

roflchoppayesterday at 5:48 PM

Whats weird is that I know of at least 8 “modern cars” 2018+ that all have had cracked windshields.

3 of them are mine, my 2002 car has taken huge rocks like a champ…

Its big glass im telling you, esp because the recalibration stuff for Assistive Steering is like 7-800 bucks.

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bombcaryesterday at 6:34 PM

You can just carry the Ripper.

https://www.aoe.net/product/the-ripper-window-glass-cutter/

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3eb7988a1663yesterday at 5:28 PM

Not sure about the "car falls into the lake" scenario, but I know some women who carry these for fear of a crazed Uber driver who might lock them in the car.

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ziofilltoday at 10:33 AM

So the spark plug ceramic trick only works on older cars?

drob518yesterday at 6:38 PM

Simple. Just make sure you test your glass breaker on your car side window before you drive off the road or bridge into a deep lake.

tharwanyesterday at 6:40 PM

Victorinox tried to address this with this tool, not sure how successful https://www.victorinox.com/en-DE/Products/Swiss-Army-Knife%E...

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patrulektoday at 8:44 AM

If you cant break something, steal it.

jjmarrtoday at 1:00 AM

Can I still remove the headrest and use it to break glass?

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JSR_FDEDtoday at 2:06 AM

“It's easy to convince EDC people to buy EDC things. But how do you convince non-EDC folks to buy your product?”

Am I the only one who doesn’t know what EDC is?

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nine_kyesterday at 5:30 PM

I wonder why is this not part of the standard safety tests. It can be done before a crash test, for instance.

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zoklet-enjoyertoday at 1:48 AM

Oh cool. I bought the same model as that image for my girlfriend's kid yesterday

mikkupikkuyesterday at 6:40 PM

> "The fantasy being peddled by the toolmakers is: You will crash, remain conscious, find that your car has burst into flame or is slowly sinking in water, find that you cannot undo your seatbelt, yet are still able to reach for this specialty tool, slice through your seatbelt, then smash the window open and climb free to safety."

Uh huh... Now consider this scenario; you lose control and crash into a tree. You are out and your car catches fire. Who gets to the scene first? Firefighters, or probably just whichever randos happened to be right there when it happened? Probably the later. Probably for the best if one of them is able to break your window and pull you out.

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silexiayesterday at 5:08 PM

Useful tech post!

nine_kyesterday at 5:35 PM

Have a crowbar handy. It's known to be useful in a variety of situations, including a literal space alien assault.

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renewiltordyesterday at 5:29 PM

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croesyesterday at 6:18 PM

So no fast rescue of children and dogs in cars in the summer heat anymore

porphyrayesterday at 5:35 PM

oh just get Franz von Holzhausen to throw a ball bearing at it

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sizzzzlerzyesterday at 5:53 PM

What are the police to do when some insane sovcit refuses to exit the car over a speeding ticket? Those windows aren’t going to break themselves.

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