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zkmontoday at 10:29 AM8 repliesview on HN

A proof (visual or otherwise) shows "how" some statement is true, as in how it is built by the preceding truths. But I always wanted to know "why" something is true. For example, a biological cell grows and division happens. I could find tons of literature which talks about "how" this happens, but not "why" this happens. What's the motivation or goal? And why that goal is pursued? What is the force behind seeking of that goal?


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edgineertoday at 2:02 PM

On the topic of biology specifically, you might like The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins.

He argues/explains how evolutionary forces become dominant, with much more focus on the why. Why it has come to be that living things grow, multiply, and over time changed in ways that out-succeeded the prior ones, down to the level of DNA--and that these driving forces are manifested by individual genes.

euroderftoday at 11:36 AM

You can't anthropomorphise a cell, just like you can't anthropomorphise a lawnmower, or a Larry Ellison. It's just an entity harnessing an entropy gradient.

__MatrixMan__today at 11:55 AM

I've been thinking about cancer. Maybe systems of replicators are prone to overdoing it by nature. The idea was that any universes compatible with life will also have spontaneous cancers because that's just what those universes do.

And then I learned the theory that many cancers are caused by undiscovered DNA-based viruses which tamper with the cell cycle to activate the replicative machinery that they need to make copies of their genome (HPV does this, and several others too). So then it was a switch: not an immutable feature of the universe, but caused by an agent.

But it's starting to look like viruses emerged independently more times than expected, so maybe it is more like "the universe just does that," and viruses are just cancers with a space program. Back to where I started.

I suppose some would see these loops as unproductive. "First principles" people. Descartes, etc. But I think that unresolvable why's like this are what understanding is made of.

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Sharlintoday at 10:41 AM

Cells that didn't grow were outcompeted. Cells that didn't replicate were outcompeted.

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bncndn0956today at 2:46 PM

When I was 10 years old, I asked my maternal grandfather, "why does anything exist at all?"

My grandpa explained it in layman terms which even I could understand. He said, "If nothing should exist because it is simpler state to be in for everything, a sort of Primordial Law. Then what is the mechanism by which this law is enforced. Who or what is ensuring that Law is implemented everywhere for eternity. If we assume that such a mechanism must exist, then we have just proved that something must exist."

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dcmintertoday at 1:27 PM

This is a category error. A cell is not a thing that has a goal. To imagine it has one is pure anthropomorphism. The religious may have other views of course.

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IsTomtoday at 10:58 AM

> What's the motivation or goal? And why that goal is pursued? What is the force behind seeking of that goal?

There's no force and there's no goal. These things happen because every moment is a direct consequence of the previous one.

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MDCoretoday at 12:03 PM

I think this Veritasium video might speak to your questions: https://youtu.be/XX7PdJIGiCw?si=5lwB3rsFNKuXyMfA