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ok123456yesterday at 8:52 PM2 repliesview on HN

Snowden was the other big reason that TLS became the de facto standard for every site.

Prior to that, the consensus was that you only really needed TLS if you were dealing with money and wasn't worth the hassle otherwise. You could sniff traffic from Facebook and Twitter easily.

I remember listening to a talk given by an IRS investigator in around 2008 about how they were able to do a sting and shutdown illegal internet casinos. They collected a good bulk of that evidence from clear-text packet captures of gambling sessions and messages. He preemptively answered the question of whether encryption was a hurdle, by saying no one used it.


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tptacekyesterday at 9:01 PM

This is a retcon. Facebook rolled out TLS in 2011, 2 years before Snowden, and went TLS-by-default within a month of the Snowden disclosures. Google Mail was TLS-by-default in 2010. TLS was a universal best practice long before 2013 --- by 2010, you'd have gotten a sev:hi vulnerability flagged on your site if you hadn't implemented TLS. SSLLabs was 2009; BEAST was 2011, and was a huge global news story because of how widely deployed TLS was.

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12_throw_awayyesterday at 10:05 PM

I think it was a lot earlier than 2013 - SSL was inevitable by the late 2000's, as soon as major ISPs decided they could make more money by injecting ads into http connections (e.g., [1]). It obviously took a while for the infrastructure to scale up ... but I'd imagine that concerns about stolen ad impressions drove a lot more HTTPS adoption than concerns about the NSA.