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popalchemistlast Friday at 7:07 PM11 repliesview on HN

If the company's existence depends on the unfair exploitation of its staff, its foreclosure is inevitable and justified, and that is simply the price everyone involved must pay to maintain equilibrium.


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bigstrat2003last Friday at 7:13 PM

Perhaps. But that's cold comfort to someone who doesn't have a job because the company went out of business. You would have to be an enormous asshole to say "it'll result in a better equilibrium" to someone who just lost his job.

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prewettlast Friday at 7:11 PM

That assumes that the union never unfairly exploits the company. I think historical evidence shows that unions sometimes do exploit the company (and that union leaders sometimes exploit the members). Humans exploiting other humans is a flaw of all of us, not just corporate management.

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appreciatorBuslast Friday at 7:24 PM

Employees being paid less than they would prefer to get paid for a given type of work does not imply "unfair exploitation"

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Manuel_Dlast Friday at 7:12 PM

The workers aren't drones, they have the agency to choose another job. If a company is underpaying workers relative to the rest of the market, they'll struggle to hire and retain employees without the interference of a union.

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aidenn0last Friday at 11:18 PM

Many markets today only exist due to unfair exploitation of its staff, and the exploitation will continue for quite a long time if everyone who unionizes ends up without a job, since that will discourage unionizing at other companies.

We have spent most the last 50 years undoing all of the checks on corporate power that were enacted in the first half of the 20th century. There were literal pitched battles that happened when workers demanded their rights. Here's hoping the transition this time will be less painful (and actually gets repeated at all).

senecalast Friday at 7:11 PM

> If the company's existence depends on the unfair exploitation of its staff, its foreclosure is inevitable and justified, and that is simply the price everyone involved must pay to maintain equilibrium.

Claiming that all non-union companies are inherently operating via "unfair exploitation of its staff" is ridiculous. It's entirely possible for a labor union to go too far and drive a company to become noncompetitive.

These sort of canned answers are empty claptrap and not really fit for an honest discussion.

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reactordevlast Friday at 7:19 PM

So basically almost all game studios should shutdown is what you’re saying.

foobarianlast Friday at 7:24 PM

What if that unfair exploitation is perfectly normal behavior in overseas markets that happen to be competing? I guess we've been over the consequences of the globalization-driven equilibrium ad nauseam so no need to harp on it but it's still unfortunate.

scrollawaylast Friday at 7:13 PM

Your theory only holds in the case that there is unfair exploitation happening. This is not that easy to define beyond salary averages…

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jimbokunlast Friday at 8:23 PM

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venturecrueltylast Friday at 7:08 PM

"We can't end slavery! The cotton industry would collapse!"