alt Hacker NewsNothing amusing. Germany is not really rich compared to nordics. And now let‘s do so math! Electricity: 0,3€/kWh and gas 0,1€/kWh. I need ~3x more gas to get same temperature in my room. And gas heating costs €10k while heat pump €40k without subsidies and probably raw €15k material cost if I install it by myself. So why should I pay more by €30k to install experimental thing for a decade when my low cost gas heating will last for 3 decades again. The monthly bill is the same.
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What is the calculus behind 40k? I just checked some Swedish vendors and here they calculate 12k for hardware and installation of a fairly large heat pump.
https://www.polarpumpen.se/kunskapsbanken/varmepump-kunskaps...
The problem is the gas (a) emits CO2 and (b) comes from Russia.
Note that we don't have much gas infrastructure here in the nordics, since we (used to) have cheap electricity.
If you choose between heat pump and not-heat-pump electric heating, it is cheaper.
40k for heat pumps is wildly overkill here if that’s what you where quoted someone is trying to scam you. More critically, those prices aren’t set in stone over the next 30 years.
Home PV for example is way less than 0,3€/kWh and rather dramatically changes these comparisons.
> So why should I pay more by €30k to install experimental thing for a decade when my low cost gas heating will last for 3 decades again.
Because:
It is not experimental (it is no longer 1992)
Your gas comes from Russia, and they hate you - roughly speaking
Your prices are miles from reality
Face it, fossil fuels are deprecated. Your gas heating will be unusable with no gas to put in it
€40k for a heat pump is insane. Even just the parts for €15k is unbelievable. Do you have a source?
> Germany is not really rich compared to nordics.
(From another post I made in this thread)
Looking at IMF 2025 GDP per capita figures (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi... ):
Norway: $92k
Denmark: $77k
Sweden: $62k
Germany: $60k
UK: $57k
Finland: $56k
So yeah, Denmark and particularly Norway are a bit richer than the others, but the others are in the same ballpark.
that doesnt even make sense. if gas is 3x of electricity it should be the same cost but for every watt of electricity you get 3 watt of heating. so by your math if I pay 1w gas but need 3w for 1w of electricity and heatpumps give 3w on every watt of electricity heatpumps are 300% more effective then gas. sooo your point is also heatpumps ftw ;)
I installed mini splits (small heat pumps) in each of our rooms. Everyone gets their own temperature and they were only 800$ a piece. Did installation myself and it was pretty easy. Hardest thing was pulling a vacuum in the lines before releasing the freon (or whatever it's called) but all I did was watch a youtube video. They've been going strong for several years. I looked at the prices and they are still the same.