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dom96today at 10:14 AM9 repliesview on HN

Genuinely can someone with knowledge of the business explain why they aren't simply doubling down on making Firefox better? Is there an existential problem facing them that they are trying to solve by adding AI into the browser?


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austhrow743today at 10:29 AM

Their Google dependency is their existential problem. They're limited by what they can do with "making Firefox better" while effectively being a client state. An off the books Google department. Doomed to forever being a worse funded Chrome because they can't do too much to anger their patron.

By selling browser UI real estate to AI companies[0] they reduce the power Google has over them. If they get to the point where no individual company makes up a majority of their revenue, it allows them to focus on their mission in a much broader way.

[0]These will be very expensive listings should this feature become popular: https://assets-prod.sumo.prod.webservices.mozgcp.net/media/u...

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K0nservtoday at 10:16 AM

No knowledge of the business. But I think it's because of the underlying question that plagues Mozilla: How will that make money?

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concindstoday at 10:30 AM

You can't monetize a browser. They have to keep trying to create new products, but they inevitably fail. Pocket, FirefoxOS, Persona, all dead. This new stuff will fail too, because Mozilla has no USP and no way to create a best-in-class product in any market. So they rely on imitating what everyone else is doing, but with more "crunchy" vibes ("values", "trust", "we're a nonprofit") because that's the only angle they can compete on. They missed mobile completely so even their browser is bleeding users and dying.

The way to interpret Mozilla is that they're a dying/zombie company, fighting heroically to delay the inevitable.

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csintoday at 11:33 AM

Please enlighten me. How does one make a browser "better" these days?

- They were ahead of the game with extensions. Then everyone copied them.

- They were ahead of the game with tabs. Then everyone copied them.

- They were ahead of the game with containers. Then everyone copied them.

- They are still the best browser to use for an ad free internet experience.

- The only flaw I can think of, is they are not leaders in performance. Chrome loads faster. But that's because Chrome cheats by stealing your memory on startup.

How would you make FireFox better? When you say they should be making FireFox better, what should they be doing? Maybe they should hire you for ideas.

Because to me, they seem to be constantly trying to make FireFox better. It's just hit or miss.

Extensions was a hit. Tabs was a hit. Containers was a hit. They had a shit tonne of misses over the decades. We just don't remember them.

The crypto and ai stuff just happens to be a miss.

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ivanjermakovtoday at 1:12 PM

Making a better product does not make a fortune in a short run. Banning ad blockers and integrating adware/spyware does.

colesantiagotoday at 10:17 AM

What does "doubling down on making Firefox better?" mean?

What can Mozilla Firefox do to make their 500 million without Google?

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nikanjtoday at 10:52 AM

Society doesn't get improved by doing incremental work on a browser, and Mozilla's mission is to improve society

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ErroneousBoshtoday at 12:25 PM

I feel the problem they're trying to solve with that is "EB isn't sufficiently pissed off with the gradually deteriorating user experience yet so instead of actually displaying the page we'll have a big modal popup telling him how great the AI tools are and how he should try them!"

I do not want to try your AI tools, Mozilla, yours or anyone else's.

major505today at 10:16 AM

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