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chrneulast Saturday at 10:33 PM5 repliesview on HN

this argument is so tired.

most artists dont really care about streaming or selling their music. most of their real money comes from touring, merch, and people somehow interacting with them.

most musicians just want to make music, express themselves, and connect with folks who enjoy their stuff or want to make music with em.

Even some of the largest artists in the world only receive a few grand a year from streaming. Only the top 1% or so of artists get enough streams to even come close to living off it. It isn't that big of a deal. Music piracy isn't the theft people think it is, lars.

youtube is kind of the same way. the real money comes from sponsorships which come from engagement. nobody on youtube is upset that their video got stolen because that mentality was never sold to us to justify screwing us over. musicians, however, were used as pawns so music labels could get more money.

now folks will say stuff like "this is theft" which is just a roundabout way of supporting labels who steal from the artists. so, it's just a weird gaslighting. there's a reason folks turned on metallica over the napster stuff. metallica were being used to further the interests of labels over the interests of fans. and now you're doing the same thing :) It's a script we hear over and over again yet people keep falling for it.


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nospicelast Saturday at 10:45 PM

> most artists dont really care about streaming or selling their music. most of their real money comes from touring, merch, and people somehow interacting with them.

I think you have it the wrong way round. I'm sure that musicians would love to make money from album / song sales. It's just that between piracy and companies like Spotify, artists make pennies on these activities, so their only choice is to make money on more labor-intensive stuff where they retain more control.

Note that Spotify, somehow, finds it profitable to be in the streaming business.

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NoGravitasyesterday at 10:33 PM

Weird Al pointed out in 2023 that his 80 million Spotify views that year netted him $12 - enough for a nice sandwich.

cm2012last Saturday at 10:54 PM

Spotify paid out ten billion dollars to artists in 2024. This is not small potatoes - total 2024 music industry merchandise sales was around $14b.

Youtube also paid out literally 50x more to creators in 2024 than Patreon had total subscriptions on the platform.

These big platform payouts matter a lot.

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basiswordyesterday at 1:23 AM

Ah so you're only stealing a bit of money from the artists. That's ok then.

earthnaillast Saturday at 11:01 PM

Touring makes almost no money. Only concerts with >1000ppl make money. Below that you can assume not even the sound engineer gets paid.

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