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Waterluviantoday at 1:42 AM6 repliesview on HN

If 1 watt is 1 joule per second then, honestly, what are we doing with watt-hours?

Why can’t battery capacity be described in joules? And then charge and discharge being a function of voltage and current, could be represented in joules per unit time. Instead its watt-hours for capacity, watts for flow rate.

Watt-hours… that’s joules / seconds * hours? This is cursed.


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svpktoday at 3:19 AM

I believe it's just a matter of intuitively useful units. There's simply too many seconds in a day for people to have an immediate grasp on the quantity. If you're using a space heater or thinking about how much power your fridge uses kilowatt hours is an easy unit to intuit. If you know you have a battery backup with 5 kilowatt hours of capacity and your fridge averages 500 watts then you've got 10 hours. If you convert it all to watt seconds the mental math is harder. And realistically in day to day life most of what we're measuring for sake of our power bill, etc. is stuff that's operating on a timetable of hours or days.

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acyoutoday at 4:49 AM

Plenty of people use Joules or rather kilojoules or megajoules or even gigajoules for various purposes.

Watt hours is saying, how long will my personal battery pack last me that powers my 60 W laptop? Which is also fine in that context.

tiranttoday at 6:09 AM

Don’t stay there: EVs are even reporting consumption in terms of kWh/100km or kWh/100miles instead of just average kW.

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B1FF_PSUVMtoday at 1:49 AM

It's easier to figure out for people that measure power in watts and time in hours ... 1 kW for 1 hour is 1 kWh.

That camel's nose was already in the tent with the mAh thing in phone/etc batteries, now with electric vehicles we're firmly in kWh land.

Not to mention that's what the power utilities used all along ...

SigmundAtoday at 2:13 AM

A watt of power multiplied by a second of time has an agreed upon name called joule, but a watt second is also a perfectly valid SI name.

A watt is a joule of energy divided by a second of time, this is a rate, joule per second is also a valid name similar to nautical mile per hour and knot being the same unit.

Multiplication vs division, quantity vs rate, see the relationship? Units may have different names but are equivalent, both the proper name and compound name are acceptable.

A watt hour is 3600 joules, it’s more convenient to use and matches more closely with how electrical energy is typically consumed. Kilowatt hour is again more directly relatable than 3.6 megajoules.

Newton meter and Coulomb volt are other names for the joule. In pure base units it is a kilogram-meter squared per second squared.

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fulafeltoday at 7:45 AM

Yep, it's stupid from a units consistency pov. A bit like using calories instead of joules.

But on the other hand we also use hours for measuring time instead of kiloseconds...

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