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ursAxZAyesterday at 10:19 PM4 repliesview on HN

It’s strange that in 2025 we still don’t have even a minimal, per-capita baseline tier for electricity.

If a household uses less than the monthly per-capita average, why not cap that baseline at something like $10?

Yes — that gap would need to be subsidized, probably through taxes. But that’s already how grid maintenance works: we socialize the fixed costs while pretending rates are purely volumetric.(and I might be overstating this slightly).

Right now we punish low-usage consumers and reward structural inefficiency. A baseline tier would at least make the incentives coherent.


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themafiayesterday at 11:19 PM

> we socialize the fixed costs

Then we should socialize that infrastructure as well. Otherwise if we're merely _amortizing_ the costs then a total capacity metric should apply to each user.

A private company shouldn't be allowed to socialize important shared infrastructure simply because a weak PUC pretends to engage in oversight.

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nospiceyesterday at 11:07 PM

That's more or less the system that exists today? You pay a lower rate up to a certain threshold and then a higher rate kicks in.

The problem with PG&E isn't the rate structure, which isn't all that different from utilities anywhere else in the world. It's that their costs are exceedingly high, through a combination of regulatory pressures and grift. This is exacerbated by municipal and state regulators who are pushing consumers to be more reliant on electric power (bans on gas appliances in new construction, pushes toward EVs, etc).

There are vast swathes of the country where people pay 5-10x less for electricity.

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labcomputeryesterday at 10:29 PM

So PG&E already has something like this. It’s called either E-1 or TOU-C, depending on whether time-of-use billing applies. The price for the baseline tier is higher than you’d expect, though.

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