alt Hacker News>Highly populated areas tend to be Democrat-run. People commit crimes so places with more people = more crimes. More gun crimes cause people to push for more gun laws.
Are you suggesting that there are no red cities? The only sense in which this is true is that more laws = more crimes lol.
>It's not as if we don't know for a fact that legislation works (since it works for many many other counties) but a patchwork system of laws that only applies to some areas and not others is bound to perform worse than federal systems. Even federal systems need to be smart and actually managed and enforced correctly to work well.
The federal gun laws are dumb and unconstitutional. I could be on board with disarming children, violent criminals, and nutcases. Anyone else should be able to own a gun if they want to, through a convenient process. That is to say, the current federal laws are at the limit of where I want them to be, if not beyond.
I don't care about other countries. They let themselves be disarmed, and they will ultimately suffer tyranny as a result.
>On the other hand, there exists only fantasy world evidence that giving every man woman and child a gun would solve the problem. Arguably it's already been tried in the US and the result was complete failure.
It's a fact that guns curb certain kinds of crime. The mere possibility that a thug might not survive an encounter with granny means he will think long and hard before making a move on her. The fact that normal people might lose their shit keeps politicians in line. Give up your rights, and evil will follow.
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> It's a fact that guns curb certain kinds of crime.
It's not.
> They let themselves be disarmed, and they will ultimately suffer tyranny as a result.
There's plenty of tyranny in the USA today and guns have done nothing to stop it. There are countless videos on youtube right now of government tyranny in America, how many videos have you seen of tyranny by the State being stopped because someone pulled out a gun or opened fire? I'm not saying that rhetorically, if you've got a bunch of youtube videos of people shooting police or politicians engaged in tyranny which successfully stopped that tyranny from taking place please respond with links. I'd be genuinely interested in seeing them.
> The mere possibility that a thug might not survive an encounter with granny means he will think long and hard
This is demonstrably false. Everywhere in the US there is a possibility that grannies can have a gun, but nowhere, even the places where there is concealed carry and a large number of gun owners, has crime been stopped as a result. Muggings still happen. Beatings still happen. Rapes still happen. Thugs don't "think long and hard" period. Guns don't make a difference. Gang members in particular aren't scared of guns. They have guns too. They've been shot, or been shot at, many times. They've watched their friends be killed by gunfire. None of that stops them.
> The fact that normal people might lose their shit keeps politicians in line.
Where do you live where your politicians are kept in line at all, or by anything except maybe fear of not being reelected? Again, there are countless examples of politicians out of line all over this country. The number of guns/gun owners has zero impact on government corruption. It's everywhere.
> Give up your rights, and evil will follow.
I, like most Americans, don't want to abolish the 2nd amendment, but like with all of our rights, there are reasonable restrictions and limits that can be placed on it which would still allow people to defend their homes and hunt and shoot while still bringing gun deaths closer to what we see in other counties.