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crazygringoyesterday at 7:31 PM1 replyview on HN

> but that is still not even remotely a conspiracy. It is a completely valid potential thesis

I dunno, man. It's claiming a literal conspiracy between Google and Firefox to make Firefox worse. In reality, it's an outlandish proposition because Google already holds such high market share for Chrome, they need Firefox as a viable competitor to avoid antitrust concerns. The idea that they'd contractually (or behind-closed-doors) engage in hobbling Firefox is fantasy territory -- literally conspiracy theorizing. Because of the huge legal and financial risks that would entail if ever discovered. So, when something's an actual conspiracy theory, it's right to call it out as such.

> Your diatribes and foul language against the Chrome dev team... you need to stop with these gross misrepresentations...

I'm Ctrl+F-ing here through troupo's comments and not seeing anything like that. Their points seem perfectly reasonable, that Firefox also doesn't implement these features, and therefore Apple's actions might be very reasonably explained as having the same genuine reasons.

On the other hand you're the one saying things like:

> Apple will uphold its usual charade to claim that it's about pRiVacy & sEcuRiTy

> Your bias in this matter couldn't be more obvious, due to your dedication to distorting any evidence that refutes Apple's propaganda narrative

> It's absolutely insane how you keep repeating the exact same argument with no additional information like a bot who is incapable of processing new information

> that's the only way you can uphold the illusion that your underhanded Apple propaganda is anything other than a whitewashing of Apple's conflict of interest that motivates every single one of their decisions

> Your rhetoric is so vapid and detached from reality

> It's incredible how you insist on being so obnoxious

> That reads like an #ad that Apple would pay for

It looks like you're the one imagining conspiracies in Apple's behavior -- "that motivates every single one of their decisions" -- and attacking others in your own "diatribes". And you're the one using incredibly insulting and inappropriate language. It seems to be your comments that have a lot of inappropriate tone for HN, which is presumably why I see a lot of them downvoted. Maybe you should think about whether this is really the best way to engage here, maybe re-read the HN guidelines?


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kelthuzadyesterday at 11:38 PM

Why are you switching to your main account to defend your alt? You write in the exact same unreasonable style where you refuse to understand simple statements.

>I dunno, man. It's claiming a literal conspiracy between Google and Firefox to make Firefox worse. In reality, it's an outlandish proposition because Google already holds such high market share for Chrome, they need Firefox as a viable competitor to avoid antitrust concerns. The idea that they'd contractually (or behind-closed-doors) engage in hobbling Firefox is fantasy territory -- literally conspiracy theorizing. Because of the huge legal and financial risks that would entail if ever discovered. So, when something's an actual conspiracy theory, it's right to call it out as such.

The definition of a conspiracy is "a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful", and since both Google and Mozilla are public companies, his simple statement of "_Maybe_ part of their agreement is to not implement some features because it would compete with Chrome. _I don't really know_, and I don't really care what Firefox does or doesn't do." is not even remotely the distorted version from which you've created that straw man which you're now shadowboxing against. That's exactly the style of arguing in which you've been engaging in with your alt account.

>I'm Ctrl+F-ing here through troupo's comments and not seeing anything like that. Their points seem perfectly reasonable, that Firefox also doesn't implement these features, and therefore Apple's actions might be very reasonably explained as having the same genuine reasons.

Amusing, so you think that the "arguments" you have been making with your alt account are "perfectly reasonable" - who would have thought.

>It looks like you're the one imagining conspiracies in Apple's behavior -- "that motivates every single one of their decisions"

Again, you fail to understand and apply the word "conspiracy" properly, because all of my statements are based on publicly verifiable facts, trying to hastily smear that as conspiracy is exactly what you have been doing with your alt account already, so you had to use your main account to feign neutrality, but you failed again.

These observations have also been made by many other people in tech:

infrequently.org/2025/09/apples-antitrust-playbook

ericmigi.com/blog/apple-restricts-pebble-from-being-awesome-with-iphones

Even the American government itself has observed and documented Apple's anti-competitive business practices, for which the Department of Justice has even sued Apple:

"Justice Department Sues Apple for Monopolizing Smartphone Markets - Apple’s Broad-Based, Exclusionary Conduct Makes It Harder for Americans to Switch Smartphones, Undermines Innovation for Apps, Products, and Services, and Imposes Extraordinary Costs on Developers, Businesses, and Consumers: https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-s...

You know very well, that your usage of "conspiracy" is an act of smearing, but as a dedicated Apple propagandist, you obviously are more interested in manipulating conversations with deceptive rhetoric and roleplaying with your alt account.

> And you're the one using incredibly insulting and inappropriate language. It seems to be your comments that have a lot of inappropriate tone for HN, which is presumably why I see a lot of them downvoted. Maybe you should think about whether this is really the best way to engage here, maybe re-read the HN guidelines?

You're projecting, it's you who has been using insulting and inappropriate language, plus you're using alt accounts to roleplay as "neutral" third party, so take your own advice and re-read the HN guidelines. Regarding "downvotes"? My net positive upvote score increased in this thread despite you double downvoting with your main and alt account, so your biased analysis failed again. You ain't fooling anybody.

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