I've been traveling South America including Colombia, Peru, Chile, and Brazil. There are no good guys anywhere. A lot of the low wage labor come from Venezuela, and in the case of southern Brazil, Cuba. In Lima, Peru it is impossible to take an Uber without having to hear about how much a shit Maduro is. The crisis has strongly affected all countries in South America and if the Venezuelans are able return home and democratically elect a new regime it will be better for everybody.

Lots and lots of locals were equally excited, if not more, at the beginning of Arab Spring…

> and the citizens of neighboring countries who've had to reckon with the legacy of Chavez think about this.

Sure, just ask them about the legacy of Chevron in South America next.

If they're old enough ask them about the United Fruit Company.

> You can extend this to anything really with good results.

Your trick is not enough to overcome your ignorance of history.

> No valuable insight will be gleaned from chat boards and reddit in the immediate aftermath of these sorts of events.

Ridiculous. How exactly do you expect me to probe the feelings of an entire nation of people? Have CNN do it for me?

For one, immigrants are not representative of their country, they are so biased that they left.

But i think the opinion of venezuelans has leaked and it s pretty obvious his regime is not popular at home

I don’t think any valuable insight is to be found in the opinions of migrants either in terms of what any of this means long term.

A lot of Iraqis were happy when Saddam was deposed. They certainly didn’t like what happened next.

So that equally applies to your comment here and renders it null?

Yeah, I agree. But it’s also very hard to gather those voices in one place. Any thoughts on where to find these voices beside a personal network?

True, but it is like saying that to know China you have to ask the nationalists in Taiwan. Or that to understand Italian resistance you have to ask the millions of people in Italy that supported fascism.

It doesn't work.

So if Americans don't like Trump then, say, Italy can unilaterally bomb San Francisco?

Or should this only be a one way street? Is dropping bombs to disapprove of elections how we're being adults in 2026?

You simply can’t. Just enjoy the show. Sorry, last 5 years have been a complete destruction of common sense and logic, just focus on something else to remain sane.

Yeah this is just flawed. Even people close to what is happening can be ignorant/brainwashed or (and even more likely) have ulterior motives. Venezuela doesn't exactly come across as a sophisticated nation.

We have an ongoing war in Europe because one President tried to remove the President of another country. You can perform all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify military actions, and depending on who you ask you will always get the answers you want.

That's how you get the most reactionary voices. The ones that liked Maduro presumably stayed in Venezuela and didn't start complaining online.

The fish celebrate when the bear is hunted. It does not mean order has been restored to the wild.

About the stupidest thing I’ve ever read here. Why does a US perspective not matter when the fucking US conducted the strike? If Russia decides trump stole the election in 2024 you’d just sit back and let them take over?

Information that is known to be wrong is still useful. The immediate talking points on both sides reveal quite a bit if you can read between the lines. Everyone is lying but the lies themselves are revealing.

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