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flowerthoughtsyesterday at 9:51 AM15 repliesview on HN

I agree with others here that focusing your eyes on _using_ open source is, at least, an incomplete view of the problem.

What we (European software engineers) have been arguing, is that software that is funded by public means, such as from universities or institutions, ought to be made fully public, including ability to tweak. Thinking that open source software will help solve your budget and/or political problem is not something we're interested in doing for free. This excerpt here:

> In the last few years, it has been widely acknowledged that open source – which is a public good to be freely used, modified, and redistributed – has

suggests they see it as free candy, rather than the result of love and hard work, provided for free because it's nice. Pay for what you use, especially at the government level.

Of course, I strongly encourage the European governments to invest in open source. And if you're interested in giving money, I'm interested in doing work. Same as ever.


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jagged-chiselyesterday at 11:31 AM

> … public good to be freely used, modified, and redistributed

That doesn’t mean “free as in beer,” but “free as in speech.” I do understand the potential for misinterpretation, but one could easily add “after paying for it” and those freedoms don’t change.

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elricyesterday at 1:33 PM

Many projects made with government money are developed under the EUPL. Including some of the ones I've worked on. Oddly enough, they aren't available for download anywhere.

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troyvityesterday at 4:29 PM

Just to second what you are saying, over 2025 we saw some cases where small open source projects that underpin massive infrastructure are struggling for funding, and they don't even need that much! To me this is a place where the EU can spend a few dollars and have a massive influence on the sustainability and direction of open source projects.

fsfloveryesterday at 9:59 AM

> software that is funded by public means, such as from universities or institutions, ought to be made fully public, including ability to tweak

Anyone who agrees with this should sign this petition made by Free Software Foundation Europe: https://publiccode.eu

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pabs3today at 3:24 AM

FSFE campaign for that: https://publiccode.eu/

kubbyesterday at 11:09 AM

I wonder if this is useful feedback to give? It would probably need to be more actionable. I’m hopeful the European open source community will take this invitation seriously.

brodouevencodeyesterday at 4:27 PM

The early mantras of OSS included "free as in speech" and "free as in beer".

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tgvyesterday at 11:13 AM

> software that is funded by public means, such as from universities or institutions

I think that might be the wrong approach, at least in this day and age. The spirit is good, but that software has cost good money to produce, and universities are dependent on external revenue. It's not unreasonable to charge for the things they produce.

Also, should e.g. an American company have access to software produced by an Italian university?

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JumpCrisscrossyesterday at 10:58 AM

> software that is funded by public means

What fraction of global software spending does the EU command?

I love the vision. I'm just sceptical of how seriously it's being pursued if it's another Brussels project without resource commitments.

lifetimerubyistyesterday at 1:51 PM

Very few people truely understand the concept of Liberty.

pphyschyesterday at 4:48 PM

European software industry is so interesting because my impression is that the (Western) OSS sector is largely supported by talented European developers. Just a vibe from interacting with hundreds of successful OSS projects.

Europe clearly has endemic talent, and I'm not even sure it's a funding problem rather than an organizational/leadership one. They could throw money at developers who already have decent if humble QoL, or they could bring them together to build large systems that can compete with American big tech.

jokethrowawayyesterday at 12:22 PM

So, as open source developers building a public good, where is our share of EU taxes?

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cindyllmyesterday at 2:56 PM

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lynx97yesterday at 12:03 PM

The EU definitely has no concept of "love". It was founded to make trade easier. All the fuzz about humane values and morals has been tacked on more or less recently, to keep up the support for it from the population. It is the literal wolf in sheep's clothing.

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