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ParentiSoundSystoday at 8:10 AM6 repliesview on HN

I wonder what Tolkien would say of so much of the symbolism from his novels being used to bootstrap a horrible dystopian control grid? Would he approve or disapprove? The way that orcs are dehumanized you have to wonder.


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KineticLensmantoday at 11:20 AM

Tolkien’s orc dialogue in TLOTR is actually very humanised in some ways – the orcs moan about their bosses, complain about rival teams, are concerned about completing their tasks, being punished for failure, etc, etc. When they aren’t fighting, they come across as petty functionaries in a totalitarian state.

usrnmtoday at 8:17 AM

> The way that orcs are dehumanized

Orcs aren't human, though. If anything, they were deelfized

bananaflagtoday at 8:49 AM

I'll just leave this here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolkien%27s_moral_dilemma

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gregw2today at 12:30 PM

Do you mean the palantir or the rings?

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FridayoLearytoday at 12:23 PM

It's a fantasy novel written primarily for entertainment. It's hard enough to write dwarves and elves, orcs are a necessary plot device. If you want you can imagine them as pitiable creatures who have been deprived of free will and have no choice but to act the way they do and loath themselves for it.

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gambitingtoday at 8:27 AM

>>The way that orcs are dehumanized you have to wonder.

If anything, it's their portrayal in the Rings of Power that is idiotic(trying to humanize them) - they aren't human, they don't have families or friends or internal lives and psychological doubts going through their heads - they are meant to be a force("force" like in "force of nature") of evil, not a misunderstood and exploited race of intelligent beings.

For an actually interesting take on "hey what if the orcs are actually intelligent people" there is The Last Ringbearer by a Russian author, presenting LOTR from the perspective of Mordor(it's not a good book, but was an amusing read)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer

I will however agree with you that it's truly insane how we have a global survailence company that is used to spy on citizens and destroy democracies worldwide that is literally called Palantir. Like, no one working there is seeing it?

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