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y-curiousyesterday at 2:08 PM11 repliesview on HN

I am not an electricity/wiring guy so maybe you can help me understand. I thought aluminum is dangerous to wire with because it is a fire hazard (I bought a home this year and this was a prominent warning in my reading). Is that because it needs to be done very carefully? I imagine most data centers would not mess with a fire risk on such a scale.


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croteyesterday at 2:29 PM

That's the "a pain to work with" part.

Residential aluminum is a Really Bad Idea because DIY Dave will inevitably do something wrong - which then leads to a fire hazard. Copper is a lot more forgiving.

But a large scale datacenter, solar farm, or battery storage installation? Those will be installed and maintained by trained electricians, which means they actually know what a "torque wrench" is, and how to deal with scary words like "corrosion" and "oxidation".

Like I said: it's what's used for most of the power grid. With the right training it really isn't a big deal.

jablyesterday at 3:11 PM

Aluminum got a bad rep due to a lot of poor installations made in the 1960 and 70'ies. Subsequently new alloys (AA-8000 series) for wiring, new installation and termination procedures etc. have been developed, and AFAIU the situation today is much better. It's still trickier than copper wiring, so probably not a good option for DIY, but for some industrial installation with competent personnel and where the savings can be substantial it could certainly be an attractive option.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum_building_wiring

scherlockyesterday at 2:32 PM

Aluminum oxide has high resistance and if you mix aluminum wiring with copper outlets, etc the impedance mismatched is what causes fires. You need to either have special copper pigtails installed or use fixtures that are rated for aluminum wiring.

For commercial installs, it shouldn't be a problem as long as it's planned for.

auxymyesterday at 2:16 PM

It's because aluminium has a higher coefficient of thermal expansion. It expands and shrinks more as it heats, and as those cycles add up it tends to loosen electrical connections. Loose connections have higher resistance, heat up and can cause fires.

That said, there is no reason we can't design better connectors that can withstand the expansion and shrinkage cycles, like spring loaded or spring cage connectors.

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_heimdallyesterday at 2:24 PM

Unless I'm mistaken, the risk with aluminum is that it can expand and contract if it gets too hot. Aluminum sized properly with the correct connectors torqued to spec would be fine, aluminum wires in a residence with a DIYer working on it can be riskier and is why inspectors will always note it.

u8080yesterday at 2:16 PM

Aluminum wires became brittle over time(tens of years), fluid which requires some maintenance for screw terminals and inducts galvanic corrosion when coupled with copper without special care. If wiring was properly done and maintained, it is okayish.

MSFT_Edgingyesterday at 2:14 PM

Old aluminum wiring in your walls with cloth insulators, designed for a time where electricity consumption was a small fraction of today's electrified usage is dangerous because you're overloading an old, unprepared system.

Aluminum bus bars(solid, often exposed) would be designed for the required power levels and installation criteria.

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knollimaryesterday at 3:11 PM

Old aluminum is dangerous. Modern aa-8000 series aluminum is fine. Bigger pipes though.

quickthrowmanyesterday at 5:52 PM

If you apply antioxidant paste, torque the terminations to the correct value, and use wiring devices rated for Cu and Al conductors, there are zero problems.

Most homeowners know none of the requirements of aluminum wire installation so I don’t recommend using it, oxidation is bad and can cause fires. Just pay for copper NM cable, it’s dirt cheap anyways.

FWIW I sell and run electrical work for a living. I assume crote and amluto work in the electrical industry, since they’re the only other posters in this discussion who know what they’re talking about.

Analemma_yesterday at 2:14 PM

It’s a fire hazard in residential houses where people frequently do their own wiring, because it needs more expertise to wire correctly. Copper wiring is a lot more forgiving to being hooked up by amateurs.

The biggest reason is that aluminum oxidizes, and unlike copper, the oxide layer has high resistivity. In theory that shouldn’t be an issue in datacenters hiring expert technicians.

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