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krapptoday at 2:25 PM7 repliesview on HN

Most Americans wouldn't consider Charlie Brown the "hero" of his strip, they would consider him a loser who gets what he deserves, and that's the joke. He isn't cool the way Snoopy is cool.

I think the article is correct that Americans don't feel sympathy for the underdog who doesn't overcome and succeed in the end so much as contempt, due to their inborn sense of entitlement and belief that failure is caused by a lack of moral fortitude and excess of laziness rather than systemic injustice and inequality.


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ewzimmtoday at 2:36 PM

Americans are a pretty diverse group, but the most iconic image anyone has of Charlie Brown is perseverance. Lucy sets up a football promising potential success, and despite the fact that she's pulled it away from him at every opportunity, he still tries to kick it anyway.

I think that's a quintessentially American fable. Most people will never achieve great success, but they can experience the thrill of imagining opportunity, and even if they know it's illusory, that moment of faith and effort before failure is the heroic action.

People will do stupid things like bet their life savings on a game or a bad idea, but they feel heroic for having tried regardless, knowing that if enough people keep trying, someone is going to succeed, and they get to experience that success vicariously in some small amount because they tried just as hard as the one who succeeded, experienced the same struggle, and somebody made it, even if it was never going to be them.

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K0balttoday at 2:42 PM

Systemic? It goes way beyond that.

Nature itself ensures that life is short, brutal, violent, and punctuated with horrors. Happiness is a transient state that loses its power if it is present more than part of the time, and joy can only exist in a backdrop of disappointment, or it just becomes another day in the life. We are wired for a life of failure, disappointment, trauma, tragedy, and loss.

That we have wrested a comfortable civilization from these dire circumstances is a great testament to the resolve and resourcefulness of men and women.

We have the great privilege and responsibility of living in this elevated plane, with a long (as biologicaly possible) life lived in relative comfort, and even insulated from the horrors of life by the drapery of civil machinery.

Even so, the only justice in this world is the justice we create ourselves.

The universe owes us nothing, and sometimes collects its debt for the entropy we take from it.

jimbokuntoday at 7:31 PM

Charlie Brown is more like Peter Parker.

He always does the right thing. In spite of always being punished for it.

Vronditoday at 4:36 PM

I think the fact that most Americans call it "Charlie Brown" when the name of it is actually "Peanuts" proves you wrong.

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bigstrat2003today at 5:18 PM

When you go out of your way to bash American culture for no reason (with some bonus racism thrown in a few comments down!) it really drags the discussion down. I really wish you wouldn't do that, it's just making the site worse for everyone.

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JumpCrisscrosstoday at 2:57 PM

> they would consider him a loser

What about Calvin from Calvin & Hobbes?

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lapcattoday at 2:36 PM

> Most Americans wouldn't consider Charlie Brown the "hero" of his strip, they would consider him a loser who gets what he deserves, and that's the joke.

I don't think you speak for most Americans. That's the cruelest interpretation I've ever heard of Charlie Brown.

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