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Ferrari vs. Markets

48 pointsby merinidlast Thursday at 7:25 PM25 commentsview on HN

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pinkmuffinereyesterday at 11:17 PM

I don't think this plot is very convincing. I will grant there's a feasible path that would imply causation, and Ferrari imports have increased just as BTC, SP500, and NASDAQ have. But aside from the macro-trend, the oscillations in the Ferrari import lines really don't seem to correlate with those investments. In fact, if you ran a linear regression on the numbers I bet you would find a _weak_ dependence. I can give you other things that correlate with BTC's move just about as much as Ferrari's do, just by manually looking for examples. For example, google search trends for 'electric vehicle'[1] and 'seed oil'[2] are both pretty close.

[1] https://trends.google.com/explore?q=electric%2520vehicle&dat...

[2] https://trends.google.com/explore?q=seed%2520oil&date=2020-0...

beau_gtoday at 1:11 AM

There was a sharp rise in demand/value since 2020 on cars like the 355 and 550, and some bit rarer but still significant in number cars like the 360 Challenge Stradale and 430 Scuderia. Especially for the 355 and 550, which exist in significant numbers, before 2020 these cars were $70-100k, but now with nice examples going from $150k-225k, it can make a lot more sense to import one from a softer market like Europe or Japan (especially since Japanese market examples are often extremely well kept and LHD), even if the cost of importing is $10-20k.

Check the results here - https://bringatrailer.com/ferrari/550-maranello/ Example EU market car, imported 2023 - https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1999-ferrari-550-maranello... JP market car, imported to Canada 2018 then US in 2024 - https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1999-ferrari-550-maranello...

merinidlast Thursday at 7:25 PM

Every cargo shipment entering the U.S. generates a customs manifest—product descriptions, quantities, ports, shippers, and declared values. 8,818 Ferraris were detected in U.S. customs data from 2020–2026, averaging 121 per month. Import volumes correlate with Bitcoin (+0.70), S&P 500 (+0.74), and NASDAQ (+0.68).

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haunteryesterday at 11:16 PM

I'd love to know how many of these are direct from Maranello and how many of these are second hand. Ferrari doesn't sell directly to anyone unless you have a "relationship" with them. New models are highly restricted, it's not like you can just walk into a showroom so you can buy one even if you have all the money.

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rakmoyesterday at 11:57 PM

I'd love to see a similar comparison for a full compendium of cars. Do BTC prices correlate with the number of Nissan Skyline GTR's that get imported? What about 911 GT3's? Would perhaps reveal something more causal than just BTC vs Ferrari's.

JumpinJack_Cashlast Thursday at 7:46 PM

These beauties will never taste the tarmac of a racetrack where they belong :(

Actually they also belong in the living room of any mansion worth such name so I guess it's fair

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ajsnigrutintoday at 12:10 AM

In slovenia we have ~4000 Lamborghinis.... 99% are tractors :)

roughlyyesterday at 11:57 PM

Be interesting to see this compared with, eg, BMWs or something - see if this is a “rising tide lifting all boats” or a distributional signal.

rntztoday at 12:42 AM

why the sharp divide around december 2022, with almost none imported before that and plenty after?

zepearltoday at 1:11 AM

What about pre-December_2022? I cannot imagine that just a handful were imported.

renewiltordtoday at 1:14 AM

This is pretty big, if true. Ever since I discovered that pirates were holding back the forces of global warming, I have been looking for correlations such as these.

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refractallast Thursday at 7:42 PM

would be curious to see how tarrifs changed it