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jmward01yesterday at 7:06 PM5 repliesview on HN

"and notify the user when such attempts are made to their device."

We aren't going to remove the security state. We should make all attempts to, but it won't happen. What needs to happen is accountability. I should be able to turn off sharing personal information and if someone tries I should be notified and have recourse. This should also be retroactive. If I have turned off sharing and someone finds a technical loophole and uses it, there should be consequences. The only way to stop the rampant abuse is to treat data like fire. If you have it and it gets out of control you get burned, badly.


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_heimdalltoday at 1:34 AM

> We aren't going to remove the security state

We definitely won't get rid of it if we accept failure. I get that it seems extremely unlikely, but there's no use in trying to just mitigate the risk short term. One way or another that power will be abused eventually (if it isn't already).

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themafiayesterday at 9:24 PM

> We aren't going to remove the security state

What security state? They aren't doing this for anyone's safety. This is the surveillance and parallel construction state.

> What needs to happen is accountability.

No agency can have this power and remain accountable. Warrants are not an effective tool for managing this. Courts cannot effectively perform oversight after the fact.

> The only way to stop the rampant abuse is to treat data like fire.

You've missed the obvious. You should really go the other direction. Our devices should generate _noise_. Huge crazy amounts of noise. Extraneous data to a level that pollutes the system beyond any utility. They accept all this data without filtering. They should suffer for that choice.

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SilverElfinyesterday at 11:33 PM

For consequences, we need to do away with the notion of qualified immunity. Why should police officers, politicians, agents of the government have any immunity for their actions? They should carry personal liability for breaking the law and violating others’ rights. Otherwise, there is no reason they’ll change. Right now, at best you’ll sue the government and get some money, but all you’re doing is punishing other tax payers.

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fsfloveryesterday at 8:46 PM

This is exactly what GDPR does.

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jartyesterday at 11:34 PM

Don't cheer that any policy be applied to technology you wouldn't want applied to your own brain.

Imagine you get Neuralink and your best friend files for the right to be forgotten. Then poof. All your memories together gone.

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