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hamdingerstoday at 1:39 AM7 repliesview on HN

I continue to be surprised how many people haven't heard term until now, it's been in common use in the US for 20+ years.

To me the most Orwellian thing is everyone using the newspeak name for the DoD.


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WatchDogtoday at 2:27 AM

After hearing Palmer Luckey's argument for the name change[0], I tend to think it's good change.

Some of his arguments:

It used to be called the department of war, and it had a better track record with regard to foreign conflict, under that name then it did under the DoD name.

Department of war is a more honest name, department of defense is a somewhat newspeak term, although "Department of Peace" would be worse.

It's harder to seek funding for "war", then it is to seek funding for "defense". If you ask someone, "Do you want to spend money on education or war?", you will get a different answer asking, "Do you want to spend money on education or defense?".

[0] Palmer Luckey talking to Mike Rowe about the name change: https://youtu.be/dejWbn_-gUQ?t=1007

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_--__--__today at 1:44 AM

DoW is the opposite of newspeak, it is much more transparent and honest about what that organization is and has been for my entire life

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orsenthiltoday at 3:50 AM

> newspeak name for the DoD.

They changed the name and it matches the intention. It is not a newspeak name anymore.

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anentropictoday at 11:27 AM

Arguably the original name was the newspeak and the new name is more honest

tdb7893today at 4:18 AM

I went to a military high school up until 2011 and never remember hearing it. My dad and grandpa were military for 20 years each and I've never heard either say it. It definitely hasn't been used broadly in the US for very long (maybe in very specific circles). Even my friends who work as engineers for defense contractors now have never called people "war fighters" around me.

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daemonologisttoday at 3:17 AM

It's been in use by overly earnest DoD officials and Raytheon salespeople. But no normal person would use it unironically.

However I suppose Amodei in this context can be included in the former group.

Forgeties79today at 3:48 AM

Yeah, it’s common alright. Commonly used as a joke by every veteran I’ve ever met to mock try-hards.

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