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No Terms. No Conditions

166 pointsby bayneritoday at 3:58 PM67 commentsview on HN

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CobrastanJorjitoday at 5:11 PM

I like how, even when the whole point is to not have any terms or conditions, there are still disclaimers. "Only for lawful purposes," "no warranty," "we are not responsible."

Those are still terms and conditions!

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Retr0idtoday at 5:00 PM

I wonder how many one-sentence prompts have made it to the HN front page at this point.

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canacryptotoday at 7:13 PM

A similar one I made a while back, inspired by South Park's disclaimer before each episode: https://github.com/jmrossy/south-park-license

layer8today at 5:41 PM

> By accessing or using this site, you acknowledge and accept the following terms.

I’m pretty sure this is already questionable in the EU.

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0xbadcafebeetoday at 7:14 PM

Remember when people started using WTFPL because it "sounded good", only to later find out it left them and their users legally liable? This is that but for websites.

johnplattetoday at 4:04 PM

Comedically, this doesn't load from my IP address in the Russian Federation. (HN does.)

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tech_jabronitoday at 5:07 PM

No alarms, no surprises

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tostitoday at 4:27 PM

Schrödingers terms and conditions

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ameliustoday at 6:27 PM

The URL basically nulls the license agreement.

jborichevskiytoday at 5:27 PM

I know this is mostly parody, but I'm curious if anyone has good starter templates for something that covers the general stuff and doesn't require a lawyer to customize

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gnfargbltoday at 4:39 PM

> Access is not conditioned on approval.

The Zen Koan of T&C's.

catlifeonmarstoday at 5:16 PM

goes without saying

that this site definitely

does not, legally

Barbingtoday at 4:44 PM

Hope this slop doesn’t get anyone into trouble.

  Last updated: never
  No further pages. No hidden clauses.
Not sure “last updated=never” works, but I don’t make terms and conditions websites.
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knorkertoday at 4:55 PM

This does not read like it was written by a professional. Non-professionals writing licenses and T&Cs cause problems because no organization, for profit or not, wants to be dragged into court to get a "common sense" definition of a word or comma defined, at their expense.

I've heard of large organizations reaching out to places who use amateur T&Cs and licenses, saying "if we give you $X, can you dual license this as MIT, Apache, BSD, or hell anything standard?".

> Access is not conditioned on approval

Is this obvious enough legalese to not waste tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees if you get sued?

Note before you reply: I will not argue with you about how obvious it is. If you are actually a lawyer then it'd be interesting to hear your guidance, which I very much understand is not legal advice. If you're not a lawyer then I'm not.

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self-portraittoday at 5:30 PM

No further update.

weinzierltoday at 5:03 PM

Just today I asked an LLM:

"Often one generation values things much more than others. Boomers and their wristwatches. One generation is like 'only from my cold dead hands,' the others 'what would I even need this for?!' What are examples of things the youngest generation did away with?"

If OP were a checklist, the answer would have checked every point.

modzutoday at 6:39 PM

i do wonder if the world would be a better place if instead of lawyers we had cage matches

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shevy-javatoday at 5:44 PM

Is that useful for anything?

steveharing1today at 4:50 PM

Last updated: never lol

badrequesttoday at 4:05 PM

hugged to death

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iamnotai666today at 5:16 PM

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ayakuttoday at 4:10 PM

brilliant !