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dgellowtoday at 4:55 PM8 repliesview on HN

Anthropic does look healthier, with their enterprise focus. Or am I missing something?


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cmiles8today at 5:02 PM

They nominally come across as a more stable ship with less clouds over its leadership.

However all of the major privately held AI players are struggling to paint a business and financial picture that doesn’t look “terrible” at best and “verge of market moving implosion” at worst.

For now the only thing keeping this all alive is more and more irrational cash being thrown on the pile in the faint hope that something stops the implosion from happening.

darth_avocadotoday at 6:56 PM

> healthier

Correct. As compared to other AI companies. Tangible product, specific market segment and stable user base.

But whether it is worth a trillion dollars (like some of the peers are pretending to be) is yet to be seen. A lot of companies are using Anthropic products, but whether the spend is worth it, is also yet to be seen. A more realistic end state for Anthropic would be that they’d enterprise customers, with limited but steady spend due to Anthropic finally having to stop subsidizing tokens and a valuation in around $200-350B.

zer00eyztoday at 5:13 PM

Outwardly it looks much better.

But between their token curtailment and time of day restrictions, and some of the clues in the code leak (regex for sentiment, telling the public client to be "brief") it seems like they are facing some capacity issues.

Im guessing that the accountants at all the AI incumbents drink heavily.

mpalmertoday at 5:17 PM

Anthropic can't prop up Nvidia and the chip industry itself. If AI as an industry can't start turning a dollar into $1.05, a lot of stuff starts falling in value

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therobots927today at 6:23 PM

Relative to OAI they are healthier.

That isn’t saying much.

adventuredtoday at 5:04 PM

The LLM usage will generate hundreds of billions of dollars in ad revenue, which will be wildly lucrative in terms of margins (not as good as Google search used to be). If GPT is a leader in that, they'll take a sizable share of that pot.

There's a lot more money in being Google -> consumer ads, or Amazon -> consumer ads, or Meta -> consumer ads, than there is in being Anthropic -> enterprise.

Just take a look at the enterprise. Amazon's ad business alone is already a better business than Oracle or SAP or Salesforce, with superior margins, and it's growing faster too.

And of course everybody knows the Google & Meta ad monsters.

The only question remaining is who is going to extract all those LLM ad dollars, how will that break out. Right now it's Gemini and GPT in the obvious lead, with Anthropic in third, and Meta & Grok nowhere to be found (permanent situation for those).

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paxystoday at 5:29 PM

If/when the bubble bursts Anthropic is going down as well. There's nothing unique that sets it apart from OpenAI. Their cash burn is similarly egregious.

Razengantoday at 6:53 PM

Holy f'n Hell, there's such a blatant bias on HackerNews in favor of Anthropic and against OpenAI.

I'm just a user, and in my experience Claude has been consistently crap compared to ChatGPT/Codex.

I use both side-by-side, and have paid for a ChatGPT subscription every month for around 1 year, but only 2 months for Claude; once last year, and again since last month.

Everything from the sign up, the sign in, the payment, the UI, the UX, gosh, just sucks on Claude.

And the AI itself: SO. MUCH. "OoPs you're right! I was mistaken" BACKTRACKING! It's downright DANGEROUS to listen to it! God I can post screenshots of working on the same project and the same prompts with both agents and prove how worse Claude is.

Of course this comment will be downvoted by Anthropic's paid PR machine, because there's no way actual users who have tried both products would be so in favor of Claude.

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