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zzzeektoday at 3:07 PM6 repliesview on HN

The US , when finally back in control by reasonable adults, will need to offer great concessions to Iran in order to extricate from the effects of a disastrous, illegal (both from a US as well as an intentional standpoint) and of course, completely, utterly failed war. And it might be just that Iran gets to be a permanent toll collector for the global economy.


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Jenssontoday at 3:42 PM

> The US , when finally back in control by reasonable adults

Betting says next president will be Gavin Newsom or JD Vance or Marco Rubio, so I wouldn't bet on that happening anytime soon. It is weird how so bad people bubble up in american politics.

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vrganjtoday at 3:14 PM

No matter who controls the US in the future, it will never go back to the position it once had globally.

It's been actively harming it's allies, threatening them with invasion and conspiring with their enemies.

The rest of the world cannot afford to give the American people the benefit of the doubt.

After Trump I, there was hope it was just a fluke. Trump II is much worse and cements the unreliability of the American voting public.

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jMylestoday at 3:52 PM

> The US , when finally back in control by reasonable adults

This rings as "make America great again", just with a different mythology standing-in for "again".

The US (or at least the US _state_) hasn't been in control by reasonable adults in over a century, or arguably ever.

What is finally becoming obvious is that this particular landmass is much too large to be under the control of a single state, and now that we have instant communications and ubiquitous cameras, even the arguments (laid out eg in the federalist papers) are no longer dispositive.

Calm and careful deprecation of the US as a state needs to top the new agenda.

b0rtb0rttoday at 4:53 PM

> when finally back in control by reasonable adults

no one even knows who was really in control during the previous administration. quite a few idiotic and destructive policy changes were made during that administration too

lifestylegurutoday at 3:21 PM

> The US , when finally back in control by reasonable adults

There is no way back, as there is no way back to the world before covid or before the 2008 global crisis. They say about Russian history "it was bad and then it got worse". Over and over, for hundreds of years. Vlad and Donnie are friends now.

sneaktoday at 3:15 PM

> The US , when finally back in control by reasonable adults

Everyone reasonable seems to be holding their breath in anticipation of this eventually happening.

What if it doesn’t? What if all of this is a symptom of an underlying deterioration that extends deeper and beyond the current administration? It’s not Trump that made Americans A-OK with wars of aggression; Obama blew up as many kids using drones as Trump put into cages. What if the next few are the same, or worse? What do we do if this isn’t a temporary excursion but the new normal for the US and A?

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