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TheOtherHobbesyesterday at 9:17 PM7 repliesview on HN

No one was going to launch mass strikes on Moscow. Russian nuclear doctrine would have treated that as an existential threat.

The psychology of Ukraine's drone campaign as a response to Russia's original drone launches is very interesting. It's a classic boiling frog move.

Drones are seen as an improvised amateur threat. Unlike a bombing campaign, which is seen as "proper war", drones are an annoyance. They're fragile, cheap, unglamorous, unsophisticated, easy to shoot down, and wasteful, because you need tens or hundreds to make sure a few get through.

That gives drone campaigns a huge advantage. You can do a lot of damage and your enemy doesn't quite get what's happening.

Psychologically, there's a Rubicon-level difference between someone dropping bombs on Leningrad from a plane and a drone swarm attacking the same targets.

In practice the threat level is similar. Drones have absolutely become an existential threat to Russia.

But psychologically, they're not seen as such.


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Animatsyesterday at 11:26 PM

Ukraine's top drone commander was interviewed by The Economist.[1] He used to be a commodities trader, and he looks at warfare from that perspective. His goal is to kill Russian soldiers faster than Russia can replace them, until they run out of young men. His drone units are currently doing this, he claims. They supposedly lose one Ukrainian drone unit soldier per 400 Russians dead. Material cost per dead Russian soldier is about US$850. He looks at attrition war as an ROI problem.

His risk management strategy is to have redundant everything, so there's no single point of failure. Lots of small drones. Distributed operators. Many small factories. Varied command and control systems. He makes the point that they use lots of different kinds of drones - some fast with wings, some slow with rotors, some that run on treads on the ground. There's no "best drone". Using multiple types in a coordinated way makes it hard for the enemy to counter attacks. No one defense will stop all the drones.

Ukraine built 4,000,000 drones in 2025. This year, more. The Ukrainian military needs a new generation of drones about every three months, as the opposition changes tactics. They view most US drones as obsolete, because the product development and life cycle is far too long. (See "OODA loop" for the concept.)

This is a big problem for the US military's very slow development process. Development of the F-35 started over 30 years ago.

[1] https://www.economist.com/europe/2026/03/22/ukraines-top-dro...

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nradovyesterday at 11:02 PM

Ukraine has already launched several mass strikes on Moscow.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/moscow-comes-under-one-of...

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/russia...

Even if Russia sees a particular tactic or weapons system as an existential threat it's questionable whether they have the capability to escalate further. I mean they can threaten nuclear strikes on Ukrainian population centers but would anyone believe that the threats are credible?

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eek2121yesterday at 10:03 PM

Tell that to the folks on the front lines, along with folks on both sides, military or not, who have had to deal with it.

Russia would never nuke Ukraine to begin with. They know that by doing so, most of the world would unite against them, and many, including Putin, would be on the chopping block.

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ceejayozyesterday at 9:40 PM

> Russian nuclear doctrine would have treated that as an existential threat.

They claimed that with basically every little sprinkle of new aid for like two years, until everyone realized it was a bluff.

Putin is many things, but actively suicidal looks like a no.

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cineticdaffodilyesterday at 9:37 PM

I dont buy that anymore. We had that "escalation" yell at every stage, every new tech. Tanks, jets, everytime ukraine got help, the "moscow puppets" yelled about nuclear war and escalation. I m of the opinion we could have stopped 4 years of butchery if we had supported Ukraine decisevly from the start. The words of the peaceniks just dont hold value anymore. They lack predictive power so significantly those utterances seem delusional at time. Quite frankly if sb marches into a peaceful neighbor country, they dont get to call for the referee the moment they kick the shit out of them.

aaron695yesterday at 9:50 PM

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