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starkparkeryesterday at 7:43 PM10 repliesview on HN

For context, this is coming in as TriMet is laying off staff, reducing service frequency, eliminating bus lines, and cutting parts of light rail routes due to a $300M budget shortfall. The cuts were exacerbated by state Republicans getting a proposed payroll tax repeal onto the ballot next month; TriMet relies heavily on payroll taxes that are deeply unpopular among the self-employed and small business owners, so the budget is going to get worse before it gets better.

https://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/2026/04/trimet-official...

https://www.portlandmercury.com/news/trimets-present-crisis-...

At the same time, Portland's city council is debating whether to cap the cut of driver pay that rideshare companies take: https://www.opb.org/article/2026/04/13/uber-lyft-driver-pay-...

So at the same time that public transit is retreating and rideshare company labor overhead is threatening to increase, Waymo shows up with a convenient solution to both problems.


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JuniperMesosyesterday at 8:17 PM

Yup, it is genuinely convenient that Waymo doesn't rely on an unpopular payroll tax for funding while the bus system does, and also doesn't have human drivers who need to be paid subject to the laws of the city of Portland. But it doesn't actually matter all that much what is going on municipally in Portland at the moment - Waymo (or ideally, a wide variety of competing robotaxi services) should exist everywhere in the country and be as widely available as cars and roads themselves. And eventually this will happen; the concept that Waymo entering a new local market is a newsworthy event is a temporary state of affairs.

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blksyesterday at 8:57 PM

Waymo is an expensive taxi service, not a solution to public transport.

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xnxyesterday at 8:09 PM

If Portland is really forward-thinking, they would be smart to use this opportunity to jump to the next stage of public transport by focusing on flexible bus routes and Waymo/rideshare subsidies for the poor and disabled.

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rrrpdx1yesterday at 8:25 PM

How far into the 'burbs do waymos usually extend? Will Beaverton/hillbsoro be part of the build?

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pteroyesterday at 7:53 PM

> The cuts were exacerbated by state Republicans getting a proposed payroll tax repeal onto the ballot next month

Sorry to nitpick, but why is the next month's ballot (and in general the issues that have not been voted on yet) affecting current service?

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jrflowersyesterday at 8:05 PM

> Waymo shows up with a convenient solution to both problems.

No it didn’t. Bus rides cost $2.80 in Portland.

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lotsofpulpyesterday at 8:40 PM

> The cuts were exacerbated by state Republicans getting a proposed payroll tax repeal onto the ballot next month;

An alternative view of this is the majority of voters are expected to reject a tax increase in the upcoming elections, in a state that elects a supermajority of Democrat legislators.

https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Referendum_120,_Increase_to_G...

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alphawhiskyyesterday at 8:26 PM

I'm sure that they'll just dodge regulations like every other Service as a Software company. Literally taking the money out of the City's hands and providing a slower, less safe, less equitable service. While taking profit too. Sheesh.

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insane_dreameryesterday at 9:36 PM

> Waymo shows up with a convenient solution to both problems.

That's absurd. Waymo exacerbates the problem. It doesn't provide public transport.

You get unlimited travel for $100/month on Trimet. You think Waymo is going to cost anything close to that?

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fsckboyyesterday at 8:38 PM

>TriMet relies heavily on payroll taxes that are deeply unpopular among the self-employed and small business owners

just a point of clarification, the term "payroll taxes" refers to Social Security and Medicare taxes that are applied to your paycheck; you don't pay them, self-employed and employers pay those. Wage-earners do not pay them directly, but do collect the social security and Medicare benefits that they pay for later in life, so in that sense it's something of a deferred bonus to workers.

Everybody also pays income taxes which are a separate set of taxes, and they are equally hated by all.

"payroll taxes" are called that because they are applied to payrolls of people who pay payrolls. Payroll taxes would not pay for things like mass transit.

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