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alephnerdtoday at 12:52 PM5 repliesview on HN

Tbf, SWE salaries are constant across much of Europe, so anyone who is working in CEE feels less of a pull to work in London as a line-level engineer for roughly the same salary as they'd get in Warsaw. Funnily enough, even Bangalore salaries [0] are catching up to Italy [1] and Romania [2].

As a founder, it's a different story though - London is hard to beat from an entrepreneurship and capital access standpoint aside from parts of the CEE with strong ties to to American VC due to diaspora ties.

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> dzonga

Completely agree. I've O-1'ed plenty of European and British founders. But London is better than the rest of Europe from a raising perspective, which shows how bad the situation is in the rest of the continent.

[0] - https://www.levels.fyi/t/software-engineer/locations/greater...

[1] - https://www.levels.fyi/t/software-engineer/locations/italy

[2] - https://www.levels.fyi/t/software-engineer/locations/romania


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Squarextoday at 1:03 PM

The taxation is not though. It may be better working from Warsaw or Prague due to tax rules. In Czechia it's a sort of fake, but tolerated consultancy and self employment and I have heard there is a similiar status in Poland.

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dukeyukeytoday at 2:18 PM

At the same time though, out of 6 developers, my team in London has two Brits (including me), two Eastern Europeans (Hungarian and Romanian), and two South Asians (Indian and Pakistani).

My last team had two Poles and two Scandinavians (Swedish and Norwegian).

It's been a _very_ long time since I've had a team that didn't have significant Eastern Europeans representation on it.

dzongatoday at 1:03 PM

but London VCs are poor quality compared to what you find in the States.

having had my run around with London VCs - poor terms, slow moving (btw this is at seed stage) - it's better to bootstrap unless you're in deep tech (which London VCs can help out)

bootstrap and either deal with US VCs once you have numbers to back you up - if you wanna redo & do the VC route.

steve1977today at 1:00 PM

> SWE salaries are constant across all of Europe

Sorry, but this is wrong. Cheaper labor is pretty much the only reason for nearshoring from more expensive European countries to places like Spain or Eastern Europe.

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nikanjtoday at 12:55 PM

For the ~500 million people of the EU, moving to Frankfurt means taking a train there, moving to London is a whole headache of visas, permits and permissions.

Founder visas are generally suffering from a chicken-and-egg problem, where only a successful company can sponsor anyone

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